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Labour isn't working - Thread 24

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TheNuthatch · 22/12/2025 07:42

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙* *

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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justasking111 · 08/01/2026 20:19

EmeraldRoulette · 08/01/2026 19:44

Just stepping away from the UK for a second

Someone I rate highly said that the leader of Iran would be gone by Friday. I think he said that on Sunday. Anyway, looks like tonight there might be a lot of trouble. So he may be right. Iran may be free by the weekend. But it's going to be dreadful getting there.

Trying to get information is not helped by MSM completely ignoring it though I suppose they're not reliable anyway

The other thing that concerns me - any extremists who need to escape the regime, Starmer will be falling over himself to have them here. It's ridiculous to be thinking that as a time like this, but here we are. As with AAEF he will think it's a high priority to have a bunch of crazy people here.

"Iran experiencing nationwide internet blackout, monitor says | Protests News | Al Jazeera" https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/8/iran-experiencing-nationwide-internet-blackout-monitor-says

Iran experiencing nationwide internet blackout, monitor says

Iran experiencing nationwide internet blackout, monitor says

NetBlocks says the apparent blackout follows 'a series of escalating digital censorship measures targeting protests'.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/8/iran-experiencing-nationwide-internet-blackout-monitor-says

justasking111 · 08/01/2026 20:35

What's the betting if the ayatollah leaves Qatar will be the destination.

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TheNuthatch · 08/01/2026 20:40

It isn't getting much coverage on MSM considering whats happening is it? Blimey. Thanks for the link, I had no idea things were that bad. Now they have no Internet to get information out.
Good luck to the people of Iran. They're very brave.

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Hyperobject · 08/01/2026 20:44

justasking111 · 08/01/2026 20:35

What's the betting if the ayatollah leaves Qatar will be the destination.

Yes, although I cannot imagine he will live much beyond his 86 years…

Meanwhile the FT and its readership are doing a proper number on Reeves over her latest u-turn…

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 08/01/2026 20:54

Hyperobject · 08/01/2026 20:44

Yes, although I cannot imagine he will live much beyond his 86 years…

Meanwhile the FT and its readership are doing a proper number on Reeves over her latest u-turn…

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My guess is the Ayatollah would flee to Russia. He’d want to be well away from Sunni states and Israel.

Could you summarise the FT and reader comments?

Thanks.

justasking111 · 08/01/2026 21:29

Hyperobject · 08/01/2026 20:44

Yes, although I cannot imagine he will live much beyond his 86 years…

Meanwhile the FT and its readership are doing a proper number on Reeves over her latest u-turn…

Edited

Yes pub and brewery shares went down and then back up today. Very satisfying.

justasking111 · 08/01/2026 21:30

Newsflash ayatollahs en route to Moscow ✈️

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 08/01/2026 21:31

justasking111 · 08/01/2026 21:30

Newsflash ayatollahs en route to Moscow ✈️

Where did you see this?

TheNuthatch · 08/01/2026 21:44

justasking111 · 08/01/2026 21:30

Newsflash ayatollahs en route to Moscow ✈️

Wow. Thats big news if confirmed.

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justasking111 · 08/01/2026 21:46

DH shouted it from the bedroom. So either TV or his tablet.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 08/01/2026 21:49

justasking111 · 08/01/2026 21:46

DH shouted it from the bedroom. So either TV or his tablet.

Thanks. I’m hoping you’re married to the Middle East Editor for Reuters or the head of MI6.

Please let this be true!

TheNuthatch · 08/01/2026 21:59

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 08/01/2026 21:49

Thanks. I’m hoping you’re married to the Middle East Editor for Reuters or the head of MI6.

Please let this be true!

That made me laugh. 😁

I hope your dh is right @justasking111. 🤞 I can't find anything.

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redange · 08/01/2026 22:04

TheNuthatch · Today 21:44
justasking111 · Today 21:30
Newsflash ayatollahs en route to Moscow ✈️
Wow. Thats big news if confirmed.

I can't write what i would like to happen to that Aircraft !

justasking111 · 08/01/2026 22:33

redange · 08/01/2026 22:04

TheNuthatch · Today 21:44
justasking111 · Today 21:30
Newsflash ayatollahs en route to Moscow ✈️
Wow. Thats big news if confirmed.

I can't write what i would like to happen to that Aircraft !

Well never say never. Any flights out of Iran there'll be eyes in the heavens closely watching.

justasking111 · 08/01/2026 22:35

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 08/01/2026 21:49

Thanks. I’m hoping you’re married to the Middle East Editor for Reuters or the head of MI6.

Please let this be true!

No just a sadness for a nation of great history who have been oppressed.

EasternStandard · 08/01/2026 22:39

justasking111 · 08/01/2026 21:30

Newsflash ayatollahs en route to Moscow ✈️

No way, wow

EasternStandard · 08/01/2026 22:43

justasking111 · 08/01/2026 21:46

DH shouted it from the bedroom. So either TV or his tablet.

It’s all hinging on your dh @justasking111😬

justasking111 · 08/01/2026 22:58

I was 22 when Iran fell. I remember seeing pictures of beautiful young women being reduced to ghosts. No more university places, no more jobs.

Those women and men are now grandparents who will have told stories of their childhood and youth, to their children and grandchildren keeping a small flame burning in many hearts.

Those same women in the last 12 days have taken to the streets protesting, tearing up their hijabs.

I wish them the peace they remember.

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redange · 08/01/2026 23:20

Downtown Tehran Persia in the 1970's looks fantastic, very like what Beirut looked like at the time. I was 5 in February 1979 when the Shah of Iran fell. His son the Crown Prince of Persia : Reza Pahlavi has indicated a referendum should be called about whether Iran/Persia should become a constitutional Monarchy or become a Democratic Republic should/when the regime falls.

EmeraldRoulette · 08/01/2026 23:41

I hear there's elderly folks out on the streets in Iran too.

Haven't heard anything about the Ayatollah.

Mayhar Tousi filmed himself leaving some information for GB news 😂😂😂 shouldn't they just put him on? Actually, I suppose he doesn't want to go on - he's got his own TV channel!

he is cute as a button. See, I do have better taste than just Matt Goodwin 😂

justasking111 · 08/01/2026 23:47

EmeraldRoulette · 08/01/2026 23:41

I hear there's elderly folks out on the streets in Iran too.

Haven't heard anything about the Ayatollah.

Mayhar Tousi filmed himself leaving some information for GB news 😂😂😂 shouldn't they just put him on? Actually, I suppose he doesn't want to go on - he's got his own TV channel!

he is cute as a button. See, I do have better taste than just Matt Goodwin 😂

He's easy on the 👀 🤩

justasking111 · 08/01/2026 23:55

redange · 08/01/2026 23:20

Downtown Tehran Persia in the 1970's looks fantastic, very like what Beirut looked like at the time. I was 5 in February 1979 when the Shah of Iran fell. His son the Crown Prince of Persia : Reza Pahlavi has indicated a referendum should be called about whether Iran/Persia should become a constitutional Monarchy or become a Democratic Republic should/when the regime falls.

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Upstartled · 09/01/2026 03:12

Lords entitled to scupper assisted dying bill, says Tory peer

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/1ab4a11c8f4e9128

Good. Looks like if the Lords can drag their heels till April - perfectly possible because there are now over a thousand proposed amendments and not much time alloted for the proposal with it being just a private members bill, then they will have to start from scratch. And likely the government will have to stop this charade that they are neutral on the legislation and pick it up as a government bill and explain why they couldn't be arsed putting it in the manifesto when it's plain this was their intention all along.

Lords entitled to scupper assisted dying bill, says Tory peer

Conservative leader of Upper House defends scrutinising ‘obviously defective’ legislation

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/1ab4a11c8f4e9128

Hyperobject · 09/01/2026 05:11

Apols, here we are:

Rachel Reeves is under growing pressure from restaurants, shops, cafés, hotels and music venues to rethink an impending rise in business rates as the chancellor prepares to announce a limited package of relief that will apply only to pubs. Reeves has decided to provide greater support for pub owners who have been facing big jumps in rates over the coming years following her November Budget, according to people familiar with the situation. The announcement, which is expected within days, will also include changes to licensing to allow later hours and more pavement drinking.

It will be the latest of a series of U-turns by Sir Keir Starmer’s government, following the prime minister’s decisions to change tack over the removal of winter fuel payments, an attempt to cut billions in disability welfare payments and higher inheritance tax on farm estates. But there have already been questions as to why only pubs have been singled out for help. The chancellor announced in the Budget a scaling back of business rate discounts over the next three years which — along with big upward adjustments to property values used to calculate rates — has left many businesses with the prospect of much higher bills.

Kate Nicholls, chair of the lobby group UKHospitality, says ‘The entire hospitality sector is affected by these hikes’ © David Cotsworth/UK Hospitality Kate Nicholls, chair of UKHospitality, a lobby group, said: “The entire hospitality sector is affected by these hikes — from pubs and hotels to restaurants and cafés.” Alex Reilley, executive chair of hospitality group Loungers, said the pub industry had been facing an “extinction event” from the threat of rate rises but that the majority of his 250 bars, cafés and restaurants would not qualify for support. “The way pubs are assessed as separate to the rest of the hospitality sector is ludicrous,” he added.

Simon Wood, a MasterChef winner, chef and restaurant consultant, told the FT that it was inevitable there would be more restaurant closures. He said the current environment made it “financial suicide to consider opening a restaurant — you either do it because you have very deep pockets or it’s a vanity project. “Politicians don’t understand the wider hospitality sector and food industry — the low margins and the work it takes. But there are plenty of MPs happy to have their photo pulling a pint, that they aren’t going to pay for.”

Shadow business secretary Andrew Griffith says Labour has been ‘wrong to attack pubs’. Andrew Griffith, Conservative shadow business secretary, said the Budget was “falling apart” and that Labour had been “wrong to attack pubs”. “But this humiliating about-face does nothing for shops, restaurants, hotels and markets, which all face a more than 50 per cent increase. This is not the stability Rachel Reeves promised — it is a recipe for economic disaster,” he added.

Various businesses have spoken out against the changes to the business rates system, arguing that they would cause huge jumps in payments over the next three years. But the loudest campaigning has been by pubs. Andy Lennox, a landlord who has spearheaded a campaign to ban Labour MPs from pubs, said: “We will continue the ban of Labour MPs unless this is for the whole hospitality sector. Many of us own restaurants and pubs, and we’re in this together. We will not give up.”

At least 30 Labour MPs had expressed concern about the impact of the Budget on the sector. Emma McClarkin, chief executive of the British Beer and Pub Association, welcomes any move to look again at business rates. Emma McClarkin, chief executive of the British Beer and Pub Association, said the government’s decision to “look again at business rates increases is potentially a huge win for pubs across the country”, and could mean “publicans can breathe a huge sigh of relief”. The increases in costs for hospitality businesses stem largely from higher “rateable values” — estimates of a premises’ annual rent used to calculate rates — which have risen considerably since the last pandemic-era valuation, especially for pubs. In some cases, rateable values have doubled or trebled, although a typical increase is about 30 per cent.

Businesses are also facing the withdrawal of Covid-19 support, which offered 40 per cent relief on rate bills.

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