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War (crimes) and Peace (prizes) - Trump Thread #151

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Spandauer · 10/12/2025 21:07

Don Snoreleone trying to stay awake long enough to bring all his racist dreams to fruition. So when can we bring about his personal "civilisational erasure”?

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War (crimes) and Peace (prizes) - Trump Thread #151
War (crimes) and Peace (prizes) - Trump Thread #151
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DuncinToffee · 21/12/2025 20:55

JD Vance gets the biggest applause of his speech so far when he says "by the grace of God we always will be a Christian nation"

I wonder how his wife is feeling

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/12/2025 21:00

It isn't by the grace of God that men are Christian. It's their own doing. Or else it is worth nothing: God cannot compel or coerce; all he can do is ask.

(Otherwise it falls into the heresy of predestination, or something.)

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/12/2025 21:01

(I am reasonably sure Vance isn't RC)

Spandauer · 21/12/2025 21:03

DuncinToffee · 21/12/2025 20:55

JD Vance gets the biggest applause of his speech so far when he says "by the grace of God we always will be a Christian nation"

I wonder how his wife is feeling

Was just thinking that and also how the white Americans quote would sit with her and the children.

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Efacsen · 21/12/2025 21:21

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/12/2025 21:01

(I am reasonably sure Vance isn't RC)

He was brought up an Evangelical christian but converted to RC in 2019 according to wikipedia

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 21/12/2025 21:28

Can't see the current Pope having much truck with Vance, to be honest.

Spandauer · 21/12/2025 21:40

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 21/12/2025 21:28

Can't see the current Pope having much truck with Vance, to be honest.

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Well, he did kill the last one.

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/12/2025 21:50

Efacsen · 21/12/2025 21:21

He was brought up an Evangelical christian but converted to RC in 2019 according to wikipedia

Goodness. And yet being RC was an unforgivable sin when it was Biden.

BruceAndNosh · 22/12/2025 07:41

I suspect all the gossip will come true and at some point in the next year or so JD Vance will replace Mrs Vance with Mrs Kirk. Vance has a history of reinvention with multiple name changes, Faith and opinions of Trump.
If he wants to run in 2028, he knows he'll do better with a blonde wife by his side and who better than one who comes with her own fan base. But he needs a divorce to be old news by the Primaries so he can't wait too long.

logicisall · 22/12/2025 08:16

Well thought out prediction @BruceAndNosh. As the current Mrs Vance is a lawyer, I hope she's already following the ubiquitous MN advice to 'get your ducks in a row".

Mr & Mrs Vance-Kirk will be a stellar MAGA ticket.

Spandauer · 22/12/2025 09:44

Too bad the 🍊💩 wasn't in the castle at that point.

What happened next: the night Led By Donkeys projected Trump and Epstein on to Windsor Castle.
www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/dec/22/what-happened-next-led-by-donkeys-trump-epstein-windsor-castle?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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SerendipityJane · 22/12/2025 10:27

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/12/2025 21:50

Goodness. And yet being RC was an unforgivable sin when it was Biden.

Or JFK.

BruceAndNosh · 22/12/2025 11:38

logicisall · 22/12/2025 08:16

Well thought out prediction @BruceAndNosh. As the current Mrs Vance is a lawyer, I hope she's already following the ubiquitous MN advice to 'get your ducks in a row".

Mr & Mrs Vance-Kirk will be a stellar MAGA ticket.

Oh, double barrelled names is an excellent branding move!

AcrossthePond55 · 22/12/2025 13:03

SerendipityJane · 22/12/2025 10:27

Or JFK.

I'm old enough to remember our NDN telling my mum that if JFK won the election 'the Pope would be running America' in horrified tones. But I was too young to understand exactly who the Pope was and why she would think that. When I asked Mum she just said that our NDN was ignorant and to pay her no mind.

I don't think being Catholic is a 'sin' to MAGA since they're de facto pro-life and anti-anything but straight. But I do think they probably consider Catholics as '2nd class' MAGATs.

DuncinToffee · 22/12/2025 13:10

He is back on the Greenland stuff

Serpentstooth · 22/12/2025 14:36

Doesn't the Pope have firm views about divorce?

SerendipityJane · 22/12/2025 14:59

AcrossthePond55 · 22/12/2025 13:03

I'm old enough to remember our NDN telling my mum that if JFK won the election 'the Pope would be running America' in horrified tones. But I was too young to understand exactly who the Pope was and why she would think that. When I asked Mum she just said that our NDN was ignorant and to pay her no mind.

I don't think being Catholic is a 'sin' to MAGA since they're de facto pro-life and anti-anything but straight. But I do think they probably consider Catholics as '2nd class' MAGATs.

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Aye, to be fair, the colours on the Malboro packet didn't include Catholics.

Lalgarh · 22/12/2025 15:08

Serpentstooth · 22/12/2025 14:36

Doesn't the Pope have firm views about divorce?

He could have dear Usha committed to an asylum and obtain an annulment maybe?

AcrossthePond55 · 22/12/2025 15:56

Lalgarh · 22/12/2025 15:08

He could have dear Usha committed to an asylum and obtain an annulment maybe?

If you have enough dosh, you can get an annulment. Ted & Joseph (II) Kennedy, both married 'in the Church' with full bells and whistles, did. Ted because he 'lied when he promised to be faithful' and Joseph II because he was 'mentally unable' to enter a marriage.

Back in the '90s my poor uncle and 'aunt' couldn't. Uncle was divorced with one deceased and one living exSpouse, whom he married at 18 shortly after the death of his mother and just before departing for WWII. All his siblings gave statements that at the time he was in shock and 'mentally unable to make the decision' (sound familiar?) and that they all tried to talk him out of it. Even his ex-wife made a statement that they were 'just kids' and didn't know what they were doing. They were married in the Episcopal church so I guess the marriage 'counted'. The Catholic church said 'no'.

SerendipityJane · 22/12/2025 15:57

Serpentstooth · 22/12/2025 14:36

Doesn't the Pope have firm views about divorce?

Didn't stop a certain Henry Tudor.

PerkingFaintly · 22/12/2025 16:30

AcrossthePond55 · 22/12/2025 15:56

If you have enough dosh, you can get an annulment. Ted & Joseph (II) Kennedy, both married 'in the Church' with full bells and whistles, did. Ted because he 'lied when he promised to be faithful' and Joseph II because he was 'mentally unable' to enter a marriage.

Back in the '90s my poor uncle and 'aunt' couldn't. Uncle was divorced with one deceased and one living exSpouse, whom he married at 18 shortly after the death of his mother and just before departing for WWII. All his siblings gave statements that at the time he was in shock and 'mentally unable to make the decision' (sound familiar?) and that they all tried to talk him out of it. Even his ex-wife made a statement that they were 'just kids' and didn't know what they were doing. They were married in the Episcopal church so I guess the marriage 'counted'. The Catholic church said 'no'.

Back in the '90s my poor uncle and 'aunt' couldn't. Uncle was divorced with one deceased and one living exSpouse, whom he married at 18 shortly after the death of his mother and just before departing for WWII. All his siblings gave statements that at the time he was in shock and 'mentally unable to make the decision' (sound familiar?) and that they all tried to talk him out of it. Even his ex-wife made a statement that they were 'just kids' and didn't know what they were doing. They were married in the Episcopal church so I guess the marriage 'counted'. The Catholic church said 'no'.

Oh it's not like that any more. Well certainly not in the UK. My relative's first attempt to get an annulment of her Roman Catholic marriage in the 90s failed (which pissed her off as her affair partner prefered to date married women to avoid commitment "was a devout Christian who couldn't possibly marry a divorcee").

She tried again a couple of decades later when she'd got a new bloke lined up and it sailed through. Don't even know if it cost very much, and her ex didn't get involved other than to return the papers saying, "Load of rubbish, but I daresay she'll get whatever she wants; she usually does."

It's a bums-on-seats job. If the Catholic Church doesn't give them what they want they'll go elsewhere. Anyway, should it ever happen that Vance wanted an annulment of his marriage to Usha, I've no doubt he'd get it pronto.

That is getting a bit ahead of ourselves though.

I don't doubt Vance of Bray is obsequious and flexible enough that he'd drop Usha like a hot brick if it suited him, but I wouldn't put it higher than evens that he'd succeed with Erika Kirk, and even then probably not for some time yet.

TokyoSushi · 22/12/2025 17:10

Don & Pete are speaking at 9:30pm (UK) about Venezuela apparently…

BruceAndNosh · 22/12/2025 17:26

Vance wasn't married in a catholic church. He converted after their interfaith marriage ceremony

AcrossthePond55 · 22/12/2025 18:25

BruceAndNosh · 22/12/2025 17:26

Vance wasn't married in a catholic church. He converted after their interfaith marriage ceremony

Wonder if 'being equally yoked with non-believers' is grounds for an annulment.

placemats · 22/12/2025 18:29

Happy Christmas 🎁 ⛄ Speshul relationship.

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