Miriam Morgolyes on Graham Norton

[PuppyMonkey]

Anecdote about wanking off three men in a random wood in Edinburgh or something. Everyone laughed hysterically.

Is it just me or have TV chat shows gone really downhill?

I googled this episode & the first result was a clip of her telling the same story 13 years ago on Graham's show. So more likely it's just her persona : unless she's been ill a long time, in which case her wife should stop her going on chat shows as she's clearly vulnerable

How does she throw women under for men? Unless you mean all this creepy wank humour? In which case I agree.

The thing is that in her book she seemed very keen on giving bjs to random men, even described propositioning a complete stranger and doing it.
Very odd behavior for a 'lesbian'. She says she's been in love with the odd man too, so surely bisexual..
She said there was peer pressure to do stuff, but at the same time that her parents were very strict. Overall impression I got was that she did it because she enjoyed it. Possibly as rebellion against her parents, which seems her attitude even now.

I really don't think she is lesbian. Her book has loads of encounters she initiated with men as a young woman and enjoyed. She's probably the type of bi woman who likes sex with men but only falls in love with women.

I agree the anecdotes sound disturbing but given the wild time she seems to have had a college she may just have been happy to have these random encounters

Tbf Eileen Atkins, Joan Plowright, Judith Dench, the late Maggie Smith were all non-bombshells who got airtime based on their talent.

Helen Mirren is conventionally attractive and arguably does do a bit of a 'dirty old lady' act but she also has more interesting stuff to say (her autobio In The Frame is very good and ironically has no gratuitous sexual detail, although she's the one who was seen as sexualised in the 70s due to stuff like Caligula)

I don't see why posh people swearing is ever that funny in the first place. If you look at books on the 1930s or before posh people (especially men) have often been foul-mouthed. They just have more leeway to be open about it now.

Editing as I think I can phrase it better.

Miriam Margolyes identifies as a lesbian, but she has centred herself as a trans ally instead of a lesbian ally.
She is very vocal about defending trans women and telling other women to be kind, yet she is silent on what is happening to lesbians, especially younger ones, who are facing pressure to prioritise gender identity over their own sexual boundaries.
Someone with her privilege and public platform choosing to support the trans rights line while ignoring the issues affecting lesbians ends up abandoning her own community.

Not acknowledging these issues exist and claiming that acknowledging them is not "being kind" is extremely harmful.

There are young lesbians out there being called bigots and transphobes for not having sex with men who call themselves women. There are women out there accepting sex they don't want to have because they don't want to be called a bigot or transphobe or suffer the personal and professional detriment that comes with those accusations.

MM is in the Be Kind camp without caring who she stands on to Be Kind and will throw those standing up for women under the bus to serve her own agenda.

Absolutely this @TheCorrsDidDreamsBetter. 👏

Let's face it, MM wouldn't get a look-in at the BBC if she was a gender critical woman who was in any way vocal in her support of lesbians in the face of trans activism. No wonder she's never off their bloody shows - she ticks every box of their miserable agenda.

She was incredibly wrong there...she claimed to have heard testimony from Jacqueline du Pre's deceased doctor that she'd (on request) ended her life by injection (which would have been illegal, is denied by her family and fits no facts). Even if true, why reveal this??

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/sep/05/miriam-margolyes-it-was-my-duty-to-tell-truth-about-du-pres-death

Interestingly she's been with her now-wife Heather since 1968, but they were only planning to move in in 2023, having lived separately in London & Amsterdam for a long time before that. Probably she's too exhausting to live with!

why would any woman have sex with anybody she doesn’t want to have sex with? I don’t get it. Are they being forced? In which case surely they should seek legal help?

Coercion, it's not new. Doesn't have to be done by brute force. If you're told that not validating this person by removing your clothes or having sex with them makes you an evil Nazi and you'll be totally ostracised and branded a bigot and lose your job and reputation, lots of people won't feel able to say no. Women have been told to abandon their rights and wants in order to become better humans since time immemorial and they still are.

This thread is becoming toxic and bullying. I didn’t like her wank story on GN and thought it should have been edited out, but that does not make her an evil person.

No, not evil - but definitely a deeply unpleasant bully.

but that does not make her an evil person

I dont think anyone called her evil lol
People were saying her tired, gross, chronically repeated stories were getting tedious and rather pathetic and that many of her attitudes/views are misogynistic and racist.

If she is going to go on TV and say these things then people are going to respond to them 🤷‍♀️

This may shed some light www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57853385

I am sparing in my criticism of public figures on here, bearing in mind that they are human too and often it is just a personality clash or difference in taste / style. But MM crossed a line for me with the memoir and the betrayal
of J du Pre's memory as mentioned upthread and now I have no compunction about saying I find her deeply dislikeable and will avoid watching her.

If she is going to go on TV and say these things then people are going to respond to them 🤷‍♀️

I agree. Freedom of speech means she has every right to express her views, but it does NOT mean that people arent allowed to respond/react to her views or have a poor opinion of her as a result of those views.

If she is too sensitive to handle that response then she shouldn't be spouting off her views in public where millions of people can hear them.

Exactly this. There are a lot of people (disproportionately on MN!) who read others in a very cynical way - once that person fails to be perfect they are then a terrible person. Like many people, MM has good traits and less good traits. I think she's a good person and I admire her honesty on many topics, even if I don't always agree.

I do wonder how many people here manage to maintain relationships with relatives and friends in real life who have flaws and sometimes say the wrong thing. I think they probably don't, as spewing hate online is pretty much always a sign of loneliness. There are people I don't like in the public eye but unless they are abusers or serial killers I wouldn't go online to say they are 'vile' and 'repulsive'. It's pretty extreme (and these threads are always about women).

I also think the people mentioning MM's appearance and weight in a negative way need to take a look at themselves. Pretty awful.

You arent wrong OP- I cant stand her. I think she's a horrible woman.

Every time she's been on GN she makes me cringe.

Gross.

Don't you think what she said about du Pre was pretty extreme?

Not extreme, no. She did what she believed was right, whether or not it was. She wasn't trying to be nasty to anybody.

If she or someone I knew said something like 'I hate all people from X ethnic minority and think they should all be exterminated', well that is an example of something I would class as 'extreme' and would make me not want to ever see them again.

I have a very different idea of what words like 'extreme', 'vile', 'repulsive' mean than many do on this thread.

O was going to say the same thing. I can’t bear her.

But isn't it blindingly obvious to Margoyles (or should be) that such personal information is not hers to reveal?

If du Pre chose to die in that way (which conflicts with other evidence), why does the world need to know? We should remember her for her wonderful playing. Her illness and death is a personal matter for her family and husband, who are all still alive.