How do we know the extra welfare payments for multiple children will be spent on the children .

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A genuine question really . I don’t begrudge the children and I’ll save my irk for the parents but how do we know the extra money will be used to support the children in the right way giving them a better start and turning them into these honerable citizens. It worries me that the kids with feckless parents are going to be given much more money but the parents spend it on themselves not the kids . Just because these parents have more money doesn’t mean they’ll use it responsibly or change the attitudes they may pass down .

No they didn't, but I know people who think they should work like that. And I've seen many many posts on here over the years who think they should too!

Because why is a poor child less valuable than a “normal” child*?! Because you think they’ll pay tax?

*I say normal because I refuse to use middle class to refer to a person who is educated and gets a job.

Well for the 10 years I worked in boots, sainsbury and nisa local that’s exactly how they worked. How do you think they work?

Spent according to who?

Wow @@HeatonGrov you’re a fucking delight aren’t you. Not judgy at all

“If you watch “Rita, sue and bob too” film they discuss having kids for the benefits and that’s set early 80’s.”

Ahhh yes @ThisHazelPombear that well known factually correct documentary…..

Because they couldn't get to the shop they were for, or couldn't buy what they needed most at that shop.

Sure one or two may have spent it on drugs, but plenty of others had legitimate reasons for finding the vouchers difficult.

Calm down, dear

Well while your at it, why don't you ask the question how does a father know his child maintenance is going to the child. 🤦‍♀️
Its no different, as long as the children have what they need its of no concern which bit of money paid for what.

"spent on the children" what do you mean? The only things I can think of that it could be spent on that don't benefit the children in some way is drugs, alcohol and cigarettes. It'll likely go towards extra food, having the heating on a bit more or preventing the parents getting in to debt for buying basic things.

I think the number of families who are thinking "yay, I can get some extra drugs" is very very small compared to the number of children that will benefit.

I've been in the same position so I know all about ancillary ingredients and the fact that I wasn't faffing around with spices when I really wanted for food. Salt is fine and hopefully pepper and it's fine. 2 pans are fine for cooking most things. Sauce pan and a frying pan, haven't been poor for a while but they're not a fortune from home bargains. Fridge 50 on gumtree sometimes free, hopefully you look out for a fridge BEFORE you decide to not go through with a free abortion but if you found yourself on hard times post child there are 3 different organisations I just found who will sort you out with white goods if you have dependent children or mental health problems. Electric - if you're cooking a frozen pizza you can cook some oats.

This is all petty but I'm so sick of people acting like it's so cruel and inhumane out there especially when I've been in that position - albeit no child because it would be stupid to have one without security. It's hard yes but it's meant to be hard, there are so many people out there living this life with a furnished nice warm home and hardly any of them are skinny. The worst thing they worry about is putting the electric on but so do most working people. My husband's family is from SEA where there is some real poverty and very little help and when I see people complaining in this country about how hard done by they are when they don't even work I'm appalled by it.

And no they're not as smart or as capable or as committed to their children as me, you can speak for yourself if you like. They're mostly reckless and irresponsible and the ones who aren't have it ruined by the ones who are and demand the world from people minding their own business trying to feed their OWN families.

No. Vitriol like that is grotesque, and you need calling out on it.

Sounds like the argument many exes use for maintenance - or at least what mine did, until he managed to stop paying his meagre contribution altogether.

I'm guessing when you were poor food was a damn sight cheaper than it is now.

Also the removal of the 2 chil limit affects working people as well as those on benefits.

fridge 50 on gumtree sometimes free, hopefully you look out for a fridge BEFORE you decide to not go through with a free abortion

It's helpful when ignorance shows itself up so clearly. Really saves the rest of us the trouble.

The reason why this issue of spending the child benefit on children is discussed is because people who don't receive it will see those with more than two children receiving benefits, who don't always ensure their child's needs are met, maybe they don't spend money on extras for their children for example but then spend money on things which are luxury/ or viewed as unnecessary things.

And this ensures the money gets to the child how?

And that will always be the case but the question should be would you rather no one got the extra just to make sure the few that don't use it as you see fit go without

If the government really wants to help poor children then just throwing money at the problem won’t work

make sure fathers are paying a fair contribution

ensure the extra money is being targeted at the right parents/services to ensure it’s helping. Sure a lot of parents won’t need any further support but we’ve had plenty of examples on this thread where they do

and all the vitriol against the snobby middle class patronising the virtuous poor is just divisive and it’s not what I see living in London

This is one of the issues we have. Some families really have no idea how to cook. Biscuits is apparently a better alternative! Give me strength.

Sure some parents won't spend it on the kids, some will just have more money in total and the kid will be be benefitted by that, but likely the majority will be using it to take better care of their children. There are families living on noodles 2 weeks out the month

Besides, what "extra" welfare are you referring to ?

In the most respectful way @Comedycook if you are paying for weight loss injections because you were or are at an unhealthy weight, IMO this is also benefiting your child, even if a bit less directly. Happier healthier mum is a big positive!

I'm jumping in here.

I live on a big council estate. We have a 'community shop' that has frozen meat (bought fresh then frozen) fruit and veg. It also sells tin and packets and, shock horror occasionally chocolate. There is also a charity shop for clothes and toys.

As well as being a shop there are cooking lessons, some in the day but once a week it is a parents and kids cook and take home what they have made. There is no charge for ingredients and it is incredibly popular.

There is a policy that any cooking has to have nutritional value so it will be curry made with veg and rice o the side or shepherd's pie with lots of veg.

Some people are desperately trying their best for their children.

So, let me get this straight …..you agree this all started with the Tories (who have been the party in power for the majority of the time between 1979 -now).

Shall we also talk about how they controversially used sickness benefits to reduce the unemployment figures? Then implemented neoliberal policies that penalised and demonised the very people they had put there?

@Dollymylove the reason teenage girls get pregnant is largely due to poor parenting and suboptimal social conditions. Not because they want to live a life on benefits. For gods Sake.