Labour isn't working - Thread 22

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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They can't get it through the Lords (thankfully) so they've had to compromise.
6 month rights won't make any difference at all to employers, its still batshit. I hope other areas of the bill fail too.🤞

Seconded. Its appalling.

The employment bill really is stupid. It’s exactly the sort of crap that Thatcher had to get rid of and that Blair was sensible enough not to resurrect. The retreat so far is welcome, but the next government will have to junk the measures wholesale ASAP. And confront the unions all over again.

You’d have to be a complete moron to think that this would help anyone except chancers. I genuinely think the more intelligent within Labour and its support (i.e. not Angela Rayner) know this but actually do hate all private sector employers so much that they don’t care that private sector unemployment will go up and tax intake will go down.

Watched it.

He is defensive, isn't he.

DH said the same thing- not about Reform per se, but that the biggest tax burdens are timed for 3 months before the next general election and they know they are a 1 term government. So they can bleat and scream in Opposition (which they feel more comfortable in) while the next government- and everyone else suffers.

I wonder if they do know they’ll be out. Hope so.

This is somewhat encouraging

The majority of voters think that the Chancellor has broken Labour’s central manifesto promise not to raise taxes “on working people”.

Nearly six in 10 voters (57pc) think Rachel Reeves’s Budget tax rises have breached Labour’s pre-election pledge not to increase National Insurance, income tax rates or VAT, according to new polling conducted on Thursday by YouGov.

More than a third (37pc) of voters think the tax rises are because of Labour’s choices, compared to just 16pc who blame the previous Conservative Government.

Could be. Salting the earth sounds plausible. They must know that they won't get another term by now, and they won't go quietly.

Agreed.
Its very convenient that this wasn't costed by the OBR before the budget.

Good.
I think those figures will worsen too when the impact of the budget is fully realised.

I think they are so deluded, that they don't believe the polls and think come election time they will be polling at 35% plus. Reeves who could not answer one question with Nick Robinson this morning believes she has overseen a Budget for the 'ages'. She is of equal economic caliber as Nigel Lawson and give her some respect ' She is the chancellor' as she was reported to have said to Siddiq Khan and get out of my office.

I was just listening to the Lotus Eaters podcast,( they are pretty fun) and their hypothesis is that this is a budget to ensure Reform will fail.
they’ve given out all the benefits and spending immediately but the tax hikes aren’t til 2028, just in time to properly tank the economy for Reform, who’ll then have to drastically reduce spending which is obviously going to look very very bad.

i hadn’t thought of that but it’s very plausible.
However that sort of plotting could blow up in Labour’s face.

According to the OBR, inflation is not expected to get back down to target until 2027.

Mortgage rates are expected to reach 5% by 2029 - up from 3.7% in 2024.

Oh dear, my mortgage needs to be renewed in 2027. I was hoping for better….

Lotus Eaters are fab and cover lots of topics intellingently and with humour) as well as politics. Nick Dixon who is sometimes on there also has his own podcast and did one today on the budget - funny but clever and on point.

Nick Dixon
podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-current-thing/id1671573905?i=1000738698736

Lammy’s ‘leaked’ memo about the virtual abolition of juries must be the nail in the coffin of arguments against withdrawing from the ECHR.

Surely after proposing the end of juries not even this government of jaw-droppingly stupid incompetents could dare argue that leaving the ECHR would imperil human rights.

Abolishing trial by juries is more evidence of the absolute and complete control the left want over people tbh. If people don’t understand the problem with this, they are extremely privileged. The working class being judged by elected people on the privileged state payroll. There are many examples of this in history… Jury trials are not perfect but they are in comparison to the alternative.

Legolava · Today 21:28

Abolishing trial by juries is more evidence of the absolute and complete control the left want over people tbh. If people don’t understand the problem with this, they are extremely privileged. The working class being judged by elected people on the privileged state payroll. There are many examples of this in history… Jury trials are not perfect but they are in comparison to the alternative.

I posted earlier this is like 1815 and poor 13 year old boy is up for stealing in court without any representation or anybody who is remotely like himself. Utter disgraceful and designed to show the 'Lower' classes who the 'rulers' are. It is also ironic that the posters who can see this are those of us who look rightward and not those on the 'virtuous' and caring left. The left want to put the boot into all those, they consider below them, it does make you wonder if the 'Workhouses' of the Victorian Era came from the virtuous and caring.

💯 absolutely beyond extremist the views I see from the far left. They are so internalised in their extremism - they don’t see it. Even traditionally “lefty lawyers” are up in arms about this. For good reason.

Small man, small pipe.

Here, is a First Class otherwise known as a Socialist.

Labour councillor's Lamborghini is found parked twice in council car park's disabled bays without a blue badge | Daily Mail Online

What a god awful colour.

And no one can explain how he has the money for a Lamborghini

There is a bit of a bunfught on GMB right now. Rob Rinder is saying pretty much everything 22 threads on here have said. Caroline Flint is trying hard to defend, but not at all successfully.

Flint (who I have thought measured before) is resorting to being strident. Being agressive, Talking over everyone else and interrupting and a regular resort to screeching.