Labour isn't working - Thread 22

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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We figured this out yesterday. Big people in Ed were on it. Anyone who thinks Labour are doing the right thing by vulnerable children is mistaken. Anyone who thinks children with SEND and disabilities are being protected is mistaken.

I will never forgive them with their gaslighting. Whilst leftists are congratulating themselves with lifting children out of poverty and breakfasts. Those of us on the front line, dealing with real poverty know it is performative show boating.

Academically, on paper, children will be lifted out of poverty and get a slice of toast. My experience, the children who are neglected, the parents can’t be bothered to even get them to a free breakfast. There is no shortage of drug and alcohol abuse alongside new tattoos and Botox. I actually wish it was a cliche. The children turn up to school when the parents can be bothered. Hungry, cold, not dressed or washed properly.

If the left actually, really cared for the vulnerable, rather than trying to make themselves look saintly, they would actually act.

Yes there’s nothing from economists endorsing it.

Amongst the budget news did anyone clock the farmers being arrested, handcuffed by Khan's servants because they came into London in a convoy . Their crime? Tooting their horns. There's loads of footage we caught on FB having farming connections

@Legolava I have done various jobs with people in extreme poverty - homeless, chronically unemployed people, and I couldn't agree more that the lefty attitude which infiltrates the organisations involved in these areas are a disgrace and make matters worse.

Homelessness, for example, has become an industry - estimated at £4-6bn for around 42,000 homeless people (do the maths!) The last place I was involved with had donations coming out of its ears, everyone wanting to tag in their donations on fb and insta, and all the while coats being refused to people when it was -2 outside because "they had one last week".

That last incident has always dumbfounded me - I was told off for giving away a coat to someone when it was literally -2 because it was felt they were taking the piss. My attitude was that may well be true, but it is frost bite / death zone right now, and I'd rather just give them the coat than not. You could surmise from this that I was the lefty which is why the whole thing is strange, but I was left with the feeling there was some sadistic power thing going on - dramatic I know, but I saw it a lot when working in these places; lefty types who really liked to 'own' people and keep them in their place. It always makes me wonder if the virtuous lefties never really want to solve poverty because it makes them feel better about themselves. It's like it is the opposite end of the spectrum of the envy they have for the dastardly rich people, which is certainly a thing.

There is no doubt at all that making people less reliant on government or charity is better for their wellbeing - and when people want you to become reliant on them, alarm bells should ring about dubious desires for control.

Completely agree about the control - and another way of looking at the huge tax burden is the the government now has a huge amount of control over people, so much of our earnings are taken by the govt in one way or another, it is yet another thing reducing freedom of action.

i can’t understand why children with SEN are such an easy target, or, why it was accepted that lifting the cap was better than other ways of helping children from poor backgrounds. The thing is, direct increases in money look good - oh look, they’re now above the ‘poverty line’ - but, the real results are far less clear.

i have to say, that amid my planning of just generally laying low, putting what I can into ISAs and premium Bonds and inching down the mortgage, my next regular expense will be private medical insurance. Where we are the hospital is in the most appalling state - urgent care, as ever, is fine (well - if you’re old they’ll hope you die on a trolley in the wait time but if you’re under 70 you’ll probably live) - but if you get cancer or need a new knee, you’ll have to take out a loan to pay anyway if you need to work. I may as well suck it up. Another form of tax but actually I don’t pay much anyway as no money.

Perhaps that’s a bit unfair - not another form of tax - but I can afford it if I can move electricity suppliers, get on a water meter and change broadband suppliers.

My guess is they will have been arrested as breach of section 14, which is the standard excuse being trotted out at many recent protests. They say that they have stepped outside the boundary of the protest area - this will literally be by a couple of feet, or when they're actually leaving the protest. The ones I'm thinking of were pretty targeted though. But probably this will be the "justification" given.

Have any of the farmers actually been kept in custody? There's been a lot of "keep them in custody for the maximum time allowed and then release with no further action" tactics going on.

also, I'm sure you know, the police banned tractors when people were already on their way. I suspect the tooting of horns is going to be described as some form of harassment causing alarm and distress.

The offence was tooting a horn in a non emergency which is a fineable offence but not arrestable which is why they were released later. I was stunned when an officer hopped aboard to move it. It's not a bloody car, much more complicated and much more expensive.

No, its not a cliche, sadly.

I recall a child turning up to his foster care parents and his only belongings packed in a plastic sandwich bag were a single change of underwear and a toy from a kinder bueno egg.

The parents were drug dealers and had a very fancy car.

I love cats and dogs

Obr has said over five years we are looking ab 0.5 growth and less spending power.

I'm still reeling at the comments she made yesterday about how she has helped business with discretionary spending by raising the nmw!

I do wonder, if like pps have said, there is something more sinister to it. Keeping people in their place, making the cycle of poverty endless. Or it is pure narcissist tendencies or both.

Anyone working with real poverty and the issues surrounding it, right now, can all see the issue. People who aren’t, can’t. Yes, the saintly Labour and lefties will pull children out of poverty on paper. Whilst chronically underfunding the services that could keep them safe. Unfortunately, it’s not just the odd parent who is neglectful. It’s an unseen epidemic because services are too overwhelmed to deal with it. The threshold for intervention is so sickeningly high, you’d be horrified. You’re always awaiting the “lessons could be learned moment,” as social services are overwhelmed.

By giving a lot of these parents more money, many children will actively be put at risk. More substance abuse in the household, etc. It actually just makes me really sad.

Dan Neidle is a Labour supporter, I believe.

KS is being interviewed on BBC News atm; apart from being very defensive and clearly rattled, he described his overseas trips as "international duties".🙄

I'm surprised he's still in the country 😁
He's normally scarpered by now.

Has he said anything about the government's latest U turn on day one employment rights? Ange won't be happy 😂

You know, he really is a terrible boss. He leaves his ministers to face shitloads of flack while he jets off to get his face in the papers.

Finally a decision on that.

Nothing about the U-turn on Ange's pet policy.

The interview's being rerun now and it's obvious he's using all the aggressive defence and pseudo-shock-at-question tactics he learned as a lawyer.

is that on the BBC news channel?

No wonder people loathe him. The most unpopular PM.

I’m wondering whether this U turn is timed to stop people from talking about the Budget. It is still a fairly major strengthening of workers’ rights - depending on the job, it may not be possible to work out if someone needs sacking within six months.

I can't believe that the BBC challenged him

I was just listening to the Lotus Eaters podcast,( they are pretty fun) and their hypothesis is that this is a budget to ensure Reform will fail.
they’ve given out all the benefits and spending immediately but the tax hikes aren’t til 2028, just in time to properly tank the economy for Reform, who’ll then have to drastically reduce spending which is obviously going to look very very bad.

I don’t think they are that clever tbh

It is.

This really needs to fail; democracy is already on its knees under this awful Government.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4f91c75e3091ebda