Labour isn't working - Thread 22

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The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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This is it.

There is no going back now - the welfare issue is now front and centre amongst the electorate.

There’s a great image from a bricklayer in the sleet summing it up with I get io at 5am to pay for you or something like that.

Total cut through.

If Labour have bricklayers saying this they’re toast.

Yes, I saw that.

It becomes really difficult for the Labour/welfare apologists to sneer at people like him. They simply tie themselves in knots.

Totally. If you’re sitting in a house that’s inflated and ex public sector with a pension you’re in a group who want to maintain that advantage. It’s not a moral high ground at all.

This won’t help either

Working families £18k worse off than benefit claimants after Budget

Parent would need £71k wage to match jobless household’s income after Reeves’s welfare spending, research finds

Right.

The anger felt by the bricklayer is real, and he speaks for many of us.
Perhaps we should call those who enjoy state largesse, ‘the welfare privileged’…

Son came out of a swimming competition this afternoon. Town was gridlocked. Finally people are spending on Christmas he said.

Yet on here that’s the sum of untold riches and you should be paying more. One of them went pretty silent yesterday when I explained (with pictures) why my dentist has dropped hours. 100k tax and childcare trap. Welfare claimants genuinely have no clue how much they get. The 6.1k is a prime example. That’s £135k with tax, NI and student loan.

This budget was a spectacular own goal for the welfare state. I’d be nervous if I were a claimant too.

I haven't looked closely at the welfare thing

I wondered if the 6K a month thing was real. I mean it's just so much, I thought there was a total cap that was still in operation even after lifting the two child cap?

The thing that strikes me is really odd Is that if all this is true, then the Tories were actually quite generous. But they were painted as being incredibly mean.

They were which is partly why I think it’s hilarious they were painted as quite mean. They were very generous with the welfare budget.

I saw that too.
He said.

"some days I want to give up but there’s people on benefits depending on me. Stay at home in the warm. My tax has got you covered."

But I don’t expect they “ get” sarcasm

I hope his neighbours aren't non workers on benefits. Be a pity if they were woken up when he goes to work in the dark eh? 🙄

Families on modest incomes will be £18,000 worse off than jobless parents claiming benefits following Rachel Reeves’s abolition of the two-child cap in the Budget, an analysis has found.

A family with three children that has at least one parent claiming the average rates of Universal Credit (UC), combined with other benefits, will receive up to £46,000 by next year, according to the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ).

That compares with the £28,000 take-home earnings of a family where one adult is working full-time, and another part-time, on the national living wage.

Kunsbeeg should step aside and let Sharon Graham interview her.

That was quite in the the punch for reeves there.

And rightly so as they represent working people.

She's done for.

Because the left propaganda machine is vicious.

If the Tories had said or done some things that the left has done there would have been riots and outcry screaming outside dowing street

Parliament recess is 20 Dec-5 Jan.

Reeves must be desperate to make it.

justasking111 · Today 18:37

Son came out of a swimming competition this afternoon. Town was gridlocked. Finally people are spending on Christmas he said.

Sporting achievement has caused a huge 'fight' and horrible behavior between DD1 and DS . DD1 has been selected for the Under 17 County Hockey Squad. DS rudely and disrespectfully told DD1 that girls sport is 'Crap' and that he is going to dress up as a girl and take her place! DD1 responded by saying 'at least I'm not stupid like you and won't be getting a party if I get a Grade 3 in Math's '. DS then called DD1 a 'Freak' with Glasses' because she is likely to achieve all grade 9's next June. They were been 'pushing' and screaming for three hours at each other and have only just calmed down.

DS's attitude comes from DH who 'refuses' to watch Women's Football despite being a hardcore Man City fan who made me watch them every week. This from when he met me at Keele University in 1992, our first date was standing on the 'Kippax' at Maine Road. This was Ok for me because my father was an Ex Pro Footballer who was released from Arsenal at 17 and alongside being successful in business, was well regarded as a Non League Semi Pro footballer

. Hence, when dad and DH met they hit it off like a house on 'fire' . However, all my father wanted was 2 sons and not 2 girls to play football with and when i got in to the under 16 Kent Hockey squad was not interested and 'misogynistic' about woman's sport like DH.

Therefore, who is to blame most for today DS and his misogyny or DD 1 for her hurtful comments about DS who suffers from disabilities.

I know this is my life story and off topic for 10 minutes, but i like to know which one of them deserves the biggest telling off.

Honestly? Your children are a bit older than mine. I think this is the point where you tell them (separately) that they are much too old for this sort of bullshit and you have just about had enough of it. Be serious and scary - that is okay. If they can’t be pleasant to each other then you want them to avoid each other. It isn’t your role to have to listen to them squabbling like five year olds.

Starmer and Reeves do not care about fixing Britain: their Budget proves it

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/be86f5df9f374d58

Kemi in the Telegraph. Brilliant piece actually and reflects the concerns of the struggling tax payer and the 'quiet betrayal of the those who follow the rules'.

A good article.

I am not a fan of Osborne, but looking back, he was bang on when, speaking in 2015, he rightly pointed out it would mean “families in benefit face the same financial choice about having children as those supporting themselves solely in work”.

He went on to lay out the bare facts: despite being home to a mere one per cent of the global population, somehow we’d spiralled into providing seven per cent of all welfare spending on the planet.

Its simply not sustainable.

I hate both of them at the moment. DS for his 'misogynistic' and disrespectful comment about DD's achievement (which brings back memories to me) I also hate the nasty and 'big head' comments of DD 1 just because GCSE's are 'easy' for her should not be 'vile' to someone who has learning disabilities.

DD1 has said its not easy when all the teachers expect her to always be top of the class in a high achieving Grammar School. She feels pressure of expectation and every subject teacher wanting her take their subject for A Level is daunting for her.

I expect more from her than resorting to 'childish' comments towards her brother, and to understand he is under pressure, from his 'peer' group and his Autism. This peer pressure is to say, believe and act out in a boyish behavior due to being a 'fish' out of Water in his 'Working Class' High School.

Back to the Subject:

Labour VAT raid forces latest private school closure (msn.com)

Bridget Phillipson is disgusted that Eton are in line to claim back £4.6 Million in VAT for building developments. Philipson does not seem to know that Private 'Businesses' claim back vat for expansion. They being the ones who were so disgusted with such places being registered as Charities, not realizing that was more amiable to society. Thus, Eton by being a Private business is entitled to claim VAT back and reduce liabilities for taxable income which is less beneficial for society.

I'm sorry Redange. Sounds like you are having a crap time of it today. I'm not sure how I'd tackle that one. All my kids are cast from the same mold so they- through no skill I can claim at all - have easy going friendships.

I can and do talk their ears off about feminism when the topic comes up so they have the good sense not to rattle that cage unnecessarily.

Absolutely. I'd be icily furious. There'd be no lifts to wherever. You didn't raise them to behave like this. Then I'd be cool with both of them.

My son is 45 I still pull him up at times.

justasking111 · Today 18:37
Son came out of a swimming competition this afternoon

How did he get on?

Having studied at Keele University from 1992-1995 I find this very sad about Stoke On Trent who i can say are some of the 'best people' i have ever met.

Labour should be putting money and investment in to the Potteries.