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Labour isn't working - Thread 22

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TheNuthatch · 26/11/2025 19:56

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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EasternStandard · 28/11/2025 12:14

TheNuthatch · 28/11/2025 12:02

The same posters who complain about ableism whilst referring to Reform as 'Deform', those posters?
Yeh, come back to me on that when you've got a leg to stand on. Fucking hypocrites.

Indeed. Their party is in the crappy mire now. They can enjoy that instead.

TheNuthatch · 28/11/2025 12:15

Upstartled · 28/11/2025 12:08

Oh, I hadn't seen that.

Only on the left would accurate language like mother, worker, woman, boat people and illegal migration between considered problematic but cheering on Butler calling Kemi a white supremacist, Lammy calling women dinosaurs and Butler again calling Kwartang superficially black - as completely a-okay. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Yep. It really boils my piss when they ride around this site on their high horses preaching tolerance.

Too ignorant to recognise their own ignorance.

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Upstartled · 28/11/2025 12:28

And of the topic of things one cannot say out loud:

Is ‘scrounger’ now a banned word at the BBC?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4060ba0a07ac0d9d

Even when being employed while advocating for a bigger welfare state, the word cannot be used without outrage and apology. I wonder what sanitised word can be used in place of scrounger now? Tactical Workless Able TakerS? 🤷🏼‍♀️

Is ‘scrounger’ now a banned word at the BBC?

It would be understandable, given how the Corporation is funded

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4060ba0a07ac0d9d

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Legolava · 28/11/2025 12:50

TheNuthatch · 28/11/2025 12:15

Yep. It really boils my piss when they ride around this site on their high horses preaching tolerance.

Too ignorant to recognise their own ignorance.

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They are the worse for it. Especially when they’ve been on the sauce on a Sunday afternoon 🤐

TheNuthatch · 28/11/2025 13:08

Upstartled · 28/11/2025 12:28

And of the topic of things one cannot say out loud:

Is ‘scrounger’ now a banned word at the BBC?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4060ba0a07ac0d9d

Even when being employed while advocating for a bigger welfare state, the word cannot be used without outrage and apology. I wonder what sanitised word can be used in place of scrounger now? Tactical Workless Able TakerS? 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Explains why more and more people are turning to GB News 🤷‍♂️

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TheNuthatch · 28/11/2025 13:09

Legolava · 28/11/2025 12:50

They are the worse for it. Especially when they’ve been on the sauce on a Sunday afternoon 🤐

🤣🤣 So true.

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EasternStandard · 28/11/2025 13:14

TheNuthatch · 28/11/2025 13:09

🤣🤣 So true.

haha yep

Some one reeling from the day 1 removal, Andy McDonald on the radio

twistyizzy · 28/11/2025 13:14

Interesting
"The OBR says it informed Rachel Reeves as far back as September 17 that the downgrade in productivity forecasts was offset by 'increases in real wages and inflation'. The deficit was in fact just £2.5billion

By October 31 that deficit had turned into net positive of £4.2billion. That basic forecast did not change from that point

So from what the OBR is saying it looks like Rachel Reeves and the Treasury were briefing ahead of the Budget that there was a £20billion black hole in the public finances that didn't actually exist

The £30billion worth of tax rises in the Budget are predominantly a consequence of her decisions to increase public spending, particularly on welfare, and have £21.7billion worth of headroom

As @Peston @PippaCrerar @hzeffman have all pointed out, it makes the Budget build up - and the narrative that big tax rises were coming because of a deterioration in the public finances - look frankly surreal in hindsight"

SpaceRaccoon · 28/11/2025 13:24

twistyizzy · 28/11/2025 13:14

Interesting
"The OBR says it informed Rachel Reeves as far back as September 17 that the downgrade in productivity forecasts was offset by 'increases in real wages and inflation'. The deficit was in fact just £2.5billion

By October 31 that deficit had turned into net positive of £4.2billion. That basic forecast did not change from that point

So from what the OBR is saying it looks like Rachel Reeves and the Treasury were briefing ahead of the Budget that there was a £20billion black hole in the public finances that didn't actually exist

The £30billion worth of tax rises in the Budget are predominantly a consequence of her decisions to increase public spending, particularly on welfare, and have £21.7billion worth of headroom

As @Peston @PippaCrerar @hzeffman have all pointed out, it makes the Budget build up - and the narrative that big tax rises were coming because of a deterioration in the public finances - look frankly surreal in hindsight"

So she lied to take money off us and piss it away on benefits at the expense of the economy. Bravo 🙄

TheNuthatch · 28/11/2025 13:34

twistyizzy · 28/11/2025 13:14

Interesting
"The OBR says it informed Rachel Reeves as far back as September 17 that the downgrade in productivity forecasts was offset by 'increases in real wages and inflation'. The deficit was in fact just £2.5billion

By October 31 that deficit had turned into net positive of £4.2billion. That basic forecast did not change from that point

So from what the OBR is saying it looks like Rachel Reeves and the Treasury were briefing ahead of the Budget that there was a £20billion black hole in the public finances that didn't actually exist

The £30billion worth of tax rises in the Budget are predominantly a consequence of her decisions to increase public spending, particularly on welfare, and have £21.7billion worth of headroom

As @Peston @PippaCrerar @hzeffman have all pointed out, it makes the Budget build up - and the narrative that big tax rises were coming because of a deterioration in the public finances - look frankly surreal in hindsight"

Wow. So it was all lies.
Including the 'we interrupt your cheerios' news conference.

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twistyizzy · 28/11/2025 13:38

Chart here

Labour isn't working - Thread 22
EasternStandard · 28/11/2025 13:38

TheNuthatch · 28/11/2025 13:34

Wow. So it was all lies.
Including the 'we interrupt your cheerios' news conference.

That’s not at all surprising after the ‘black hole’ nonsense leading to the first £70bn hike.

How to get past fully funded, fully costed. I can’t believe people bought it.

TheNuthatch · 28/11/2025 13:41

EasternStandard · 28/11/2025 13:38

That’s not at all surprising after the ‘black hole’ nonsense leading to the first £70bn hike.

How to get past fully funded, fully costed. I can’t believe people bought it.

Me neither.
The kite flying and briefing from the treasury felt 'off' this time. Now we know why.

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CruCru · 28/11/2025 13:45

Christ. This is the top story on the Times app.

The thing is, they must know that people actually look at the figures and aren’t going to just take them at their word. This government are barking mad.

TheNuthatch · 28/11/2025 13:49

CruCru · 28/11/2025 13:45

Christ. This is the top story on the Times app.

The thing is, they must know that people actually look at the figures and aren’t going to just take them at their word. This government are barking mad.

I heard similar on Political Currency. I know other posters have heard it from economists too. But to see it confirmed like that from the OBR is astonishing.
Labour are finished.

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EasternStandard · 28/11/2025 13:50

TheNuthatch · 28/11/2025 11:48

Would that be from the same posters who don't/won't see the racism towards Kemi by any chance?

A black woman who would wipe the floor with them or anyone in Labour, yes I can see the issue. No wonder there’s so much mocking and snarling.

Apols for leaping back just read something irritating 😬

CambridgeSingers · 28/11/2025 13:53

It’s amazing how fast she’s managed to turn every economist and commentator out there against her…

Rachel Reeves accused of misleading Britain before budget

www.thetimes.com/article/40f40949-7878-48a5-ad50-2e8dfa86a66e?shareToken=beacce126e0ecfaaf8c27b30f372b267

TheNuthatch · 28/11/2025 14:00

EasternStandard · 28/11/2025 13:50

A black woman who would wipe the floor with them or anyone in Labour, yes I can see the issue. No wonder there’s so much mocking and snarling.

Apols for leaping back just read something irritating 😬

Thats exactly what this thread is for. I don't know what you've just read but I can use my imagination.
Glad I'm not watching any other threads atm.

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DancingFerret · 28/11/2025 14:01

One of my FB "friends" is an archetypical champagne socialist living in a leafy village in the Home Counties, so I wasn't surprised after the Budget to see the following comment from her:

"According to the Sky News calculations, I'll be about £40 worse off need to drink less wine, but that's OK if it helps lift 450,000 children out of poverty, especially if their parents are already working but still struggling to cover the cost of living due to the legacy of Liz Truss's horrific budget.
Happy for my taxes to pay for education and health, and not lining Tory pockets."

Piety and naivety rolled into one, cheering on Reeves as a modern Robin Hood.

EasternStandard · 28/11/2025 14:02

TheNuthatch · 28/11/2025 14:00

Thats exactly what this thread is for. I don't know what you've just read but I can use my imagination.
Glad I'm not watching any other threads atm.

Definitely the right choice. Some real sour grapes out there.

EasternStandard · 28/11/2025 14:07

DancingFerret · 28/11/2025 14:01

One of my FB "friends" is an archetypical champagne socialist living in a leafy village in the Home Counties, so I wasn't surprised after the Budget to see the following comment from her:

"According to the Sky News calculations, I'll be about £40 worse off need to drink less wine, but that's OK if it helps lift 450,000 children out of poverty, especially if their parents are already working but still struggling to cover the cost of living due to the legacy of Liz Truss's horrific budget.
Happy for my taxes to pay for education and health, and not lining Tory pockets."

Piety and naivety rolled into one, cheering on Reeves as a modern Robin Hood.

Omg @DancingFerretdo they work for Labour?

What absolute dire tripe is that.

TheNuthatch · 28/11/2025 14:21

CambridgeSingers · 28/11/2025 13:53

It’s amazing how fast she’s managed to turn every economist and commentator out there against her…

Rachel Reeves accused of misleading Britain before budget

www.thetimes.com/article/40f40949-7878-48a5-ad50-2e8dfa86a66e?shareToken=beacce126e0ecfaaf8c27b30f372b267

Thanks for the share. This has made me really angry. All the worry they caused in the run up to the budget. 🤬

@DancingFerret You should send this article to your Facebook friend. They should know that they have been lied to.

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Catatemyhomework · 28/11/2025 14:28

DancingFerret · 28/11/2025 14:01

One of my FB "friends" is an archetypical champagne socialist living in a leafy village in the Home Counties, so I wasn't surprised after the Budget to see the following comment from her:

"According to the Sky News calculations, I'll be about £40 worse off need to drink less wine, but that's OK if it helps lift 450,000 children out of poverty, especially if their parents are already working but still struggling to cover the cost of living due to the legacy of Liz Truss's horrific budget.
Happy for my taxes to pay for education and health, and not lining Tory pockets."

Piety and naivety rolled into one, cheering on Reeves as a modern Robin Hood.

Sorry but that jyst made me laugh. I can imagine the type of person. I know a few myself 🤣