Tax TAx TAX!!!!!! Fuming at our government!

[Baldylovingbeard]

please try and convince me otherwise…..

What a joke this government are!!! ( UK)

Let’s just tax everyone who earns a bit of cash!!! Oh and while we’re at it… go on have loads more children it’s ok others will pay for them!!! Cutting the 2child benefit cap! If you decide to have multiple children you should be able to afford to provide for them. NOT expect others too!!!!! If you fall on hard times and you’ve worked and contributed to paying tax than you are within your rights to claim tax this is what benefits were made for, it’s not a means to not work, have more kids….etc!

Oh and if you work really hard and want to put some money by for you later days in life…. You’ll be taxed!

My situation:
Part time work, full time mum to 1 child. I work for myself and earn around 10k this money usually pays for things our daughter needs… clothes, clubs, any treats.
Husband works long hours, his under a lot of stress with his job, he has worked his way to and earns a very good salary 100k he gets taxed 60% you do the maths on that! We live in a 3 bed around £280k so nothing crazy but live within our means. We have one car! One holiday a year! Put money into savings! Pension! our daughter goes to one after school club. My husband got kicked out of home at 16…. He has worked with no help from family or friends and I believe he has worked very hard to get to where he is now. we are generous with charity’s and try our best to help out when we can if we can!

Is it opposite day or something? 😂

If they want to help poorer families, food vouchers would be better.
Throwing money at them won't make the slightest difference in many cases.

I mean, you literally said I would have a different opinion were my circumstances different, without knowing what they are. That's not really 'replying to what I said,' is it? That's making assumptions first about what my situation is and second about how it has a bearing on what I think. Very silly.

I wonder how many people will be in favour of a punitive welfare state and food vouchers instead of cash when AI boots them out of their high-paying jobs?

What elements of welfare would you like to see reformed?

Pensions? Disability? Or just children?

I’m just wondering if you’d picked a vulnerable group you’re happy to leave to fend for themselves, or if it’s all of them.

Where's the incentive in that? No wonder people CBA to work.

All of them.

😂 lovely.

I can only assume you don’t have children, have absolutely no chance of ever developing a disability, and definitely will not get old.

You know nothing about me or my health. I’m entitled to my opinions, as are you.

I don’t. But if you’re not happy to support welfare, my assumption is that you plan to never need it.

I agree but the point is if they must increase benefits, then it has to be spent so the kids benefit. And many of these parents lack the skills to budget, cook cheap healthy food, and make their money go further.

The worst part of it is that where children are in poverty, 40% of the parents are not working- neither of them.

That's the root of the problem.

I didn’t say I wasn’t happy to support welfare (I am). I just believe it needs looking at and made more efficient. It also needs better checks and regulation to ensure it’s going to those who truly need it.

The nub of this is that the welfare system is for people who are in a very bad set of circumstances and need a safety net. No one disagrees with the genuinely needy being helped.

Now, there are almost as many people on benefits as workers. It's not sustainable.

It's too easy to fill in a form or have call and 'prove' you can't work or have an illness. 'Anxiety' is subjective and anyone can source all the signs, online, and say that's them. And they do.

It's out of control. Not enough checks and not enough help to get into work.

1M more people in the last year have not genuinely become unable to work and claim UC/PIP etc but that's what the figures show.

Gosh I’ve not been able to sit and read all of these comments and to be honest I can’t be bothered because some of you ( majority) won’t understand.

In simple terms whether you like it or not we are in the worst tax bracket! If we were a household with two people earning 99k each we’d be laughing but we’re not!

Im very happy contributing tax for people who have fallen on hard times, im not happy paying tax for people who see benefits as a way of living and if some of you lefties can’t understand that that’s because one day you’ll probably end up on benefits, living in a caravan but still happily using the NHS and dumping your rubbish for the council to collect.

Its a real shame you can’t see the hard working people as people and families!

Take care!!! X

From the privileged part time working wife, half /part time tired mum who didn’t see her husband last night because he worked until midnight!!!

That’s not true. I have needed it in the past (temporarily) maybe 1-2 months. I also have health conditions but continue to work, and manage them as best I can. What I really dislike is the idea of welfare going to those who do not need it, or those who exploit the system when the rest of us have to work to support ourselves. This doesn’t apply to the genuinely sick, injured, disabled etc.

I don’t know whether the figures would show that, considering UC and PIP specifically are actually paid to workers.

PIP isn’t means tested, you can claim it and be in full time employment, so they’re not always in the “out of work” figures.

My personal issue with workforce issues isn’t the unable to work, it’s the able to work and not bothering.

If we go back to the OP’s initial post, her 10k earnings are absolutely meaningless to the economy. They’re below the threshold, they contribute absolutely nothing. They may not be relying on the state, but she’s also a non-contributor. As a net contributor, that gets my back up. Get a job.

I have a far bigger issue with that than funding anyone who is unable to work, or applying top ups to people who are working but can’t afford to live. At least the latter are contributing.

Less of the “we pay tax,” please. “We” don’t. Your husband does.

You’re not in a tax bracket. You’re below the threshold. Essentially inactive in tax terms.

That’s fine, it’s your life choice, but claiming that “your” tax funds anyone’s benefits is at best disingenuous, and at worst rude to those of us who actually do.

How much extra tax do you think you will pay each year?

what his monthly take home (after tax?)

60% tax? Maybe use some of your full time mum hours to do some research.

Absolutely baffling that someone in a relationship with someone who earns £100k doesn’t understand that it’s not 60% on the whole lot.

You are just a troll.

“Im very happy contributing tax for people who have fallen on hard times, im not happy paying tax for people who see benefits as a way of living”

Except you are not contributing a single penny in tax, are you? What a joke. (From a person paying higher rate tax, married to another higher rate tax payer, not receiving child benefit as over the limit, neither of us have ever received benefits).

I wonder if you actually realise how many working people are on benefits but work 40 hours per week. 2.3 million full time workers are claiming UC so I expect they are glad you are happy to be paying - oh no though, you're not actually paying tax are you where as they are paying tax....

I don't know what your husband does, but I can confirm that whatever you do doesn't require maths.

If you earn £99,999, you take home £5,713.07 each month.

If you earn £100,000, you take home £5,713.11 each month.

This might vary slightly depending on pension payments and student loan repayments, but I would expect your husband paid those off long ago.

You are not worse off because he earns £100k instead of £99,999k.