Tax TAx TAX!!!!!! Fuming at our government!

[Baldylovingbeard]

please try and convince me otherwise…..

What a joke this government are!!! ( UK)

Let’s just tax everyone who earns a bit of cash!!! Oh and while we’re at it… go on have loads more children it’s ok others will pay for them!!! Cutting the 2child benefit cap! If you decide to have multiple children you should be able to afford to provide for them. NOT expect others too!!!!! If you fall on hard times and you’ve worked and contributed to paying tax than you are within your rights to claim tax this is what benefits were made for, it’s not a means to not work, have more kids….etc!

Oh and if you work really hard and want to put some money by for you later days in life…. You’ll be taxed!

My situation:
Part time work, full time mum to 1 child. I work for myself and earn around 10k this money usually pays for things our daughter needs… clothes, clubs, any treats.
Husband works long hours, his under a lot of stress with his job, he has worked his way to and earns a very good salary 100k he gets taxed 60% you do the maths on that! We live in a 3 bed around £280k so nothing crazy but live within our means. We have one car! One holiday a year! Put money into savings! Pension! our daughter goes to one after school club. My husband got kicked out of home at 16…. He has worked with no help from family or friends and I believe he has worked very hard to get to where he is now. we are generous with charity’s and try our best to help out when we can if we can!

Earn £100,000 in 2025/26 and you'll take home £68,557.
This means £5,713 in your pocket a month.
Over the year you'll pay £27,432 income tax and £4,011 in national insurance.
Martin Lewis website
so he must be paying into a pension scheme which he will benefit from or ? luring about take home pay

God yes - this. If you lived through the 70s you know enough.

Oh, you really want to push some buttons, do you? @SleeplessInWherever you, too, yeah?

Alright. Here's a brief summary of what I've dealt with over the last 3 years. You ready?

Multiple miscarriages (about 6 in a row), self-funded IVF with one embryo remaining, £4k on an investigative hysteroscopy done privately for recurrent miscarriage to jump the NHS queue.

Both DH and I very, very actively losing the will to carry on and planning our exit from this life, right down to how our cats will be looked after. This in addition to the realisation that most people will never end up going through what we did, yet they now can have half a dozen kids and get thousands of pounds a month for it while we get absolutely nothing.

If you revel in others' misery (there's been no indication that you don't), do feel free to sign up to replace Rachel Reeves when she gets ousted.

The government are an absolute joke. Tax workers to increase benefits to the feckless. If people can’t afford more children, then don’t have them. Simple as that. Paying them to have more is verging on bonkers. And Kemi wiped the floor with them with her opposition speech. Reeves has to be the most incompetent and out of depth chancellor we’ve ever had in government. We must be the laughing stock of the world after today.

That is all truly horrendous. And has nothing to do with Rachel Reeves.

Can you answer a couple of points @JoannaVictoria ?

The first is how do you know that the extra CB and UC will be spent on the children? (And not gambling, booze, fags, new phones, etc etc)?
Just because the family have more money does not mean the child will benefit.

Second question is- why are people having more children than they can afford?

The solution to this is helping those families to provide for their children by training and getting into work and finding better paid work.

It's not our or the government's responsibility to pay for other families choices.

The greatest gift a parent can give their child is to be a role model showing that you have to focus on your education and be able to support yourself in work.

Benefits are a safety net for hard times, not a lifestyle choice.

The more we're taxed, the longer it takes to save up to have our last embryo put back in. So yes, it kind of has everything to do with that horrible woman.

It’s the Welfare State Party, ha

Earn £100,000 in 2025/26 and you'll take home £68,557.
This means £5,713 in your pocket a month.
Over the year you'll pay £27,432 income tax and £4,011 in national insurance
money saving expert.

Goodness, reading this I’m not sure I live on the same planet, let alone country as some posters!

I can’t find anything worth frothing about in this budget. My family and I will contribute more but as we use public services I accept we need to contribute to the kitty that funds our society. I certainly am not going to lose any sleep over the mansion tax.

Exactly this. I thought it was on the whole a very sensible and fair Budget.

I feel sorry for you if you can't see that many people now are working to support millions who are choosing not to work because they can get the same on benefits. Many families not working are getting £25K- 30K a year NET. more than the gross median salary.

If you can't see how that is not sustainable, you will soon wake up to reality.

You realise there are people who face those challenges, and can’t save for that ever?

I’ve got a friend who had 5 miscarriages and at absolutely no point was she able to pay thousands for investigations or treatments. She’s a teacher FWIW.

What if people in that position are angry at you?

Taxation isn’t case by case. RR doesn’t know you. She’s not smiting you and your fertility plans. She’s making decisions about a whole country, that may affect you personally but are not personal.

And I don’t know what to make of anyone that doesn’t support measures to help inpoverished children 😔

"She’s making decisions about a whole country, that may affect you personally but are not personal"

"It's nothing against you, but you have money and I don't want you to have it because you becoming a mother isn't important."

Yeah.

This will be the last thing I post on this thread.

Have a nice evening.

Why don't you ask their parents why they can't support their own children?
That's the starting point.

Handing out money doesn't mean tackling poverty. It just enables those families to carry on with their lifestyles where they have children they can't afford.

Benefits should come with timescales - like a year to find work, get into training, improve their own job prospects. Not just hand over money for 18 years with no incentive for them to do anything to help themselves.

I mean. Nobody said the second part.

Have money, but you’ll have to pay tax on it.

What we spend that money after those deductions isn’t up to anyone else, or the government.

The problem for Labour is that half the party and support are fiscally quite tight, the other half seem to come from the incredibly naive viewpoint that giving certain people with over 2 kids a bit more will sort out poverty in kids - they need to get people incognito out and about in the community listening in to scams, benefit fraud etc - I’m not a right winger and im
not 100% sure what the solution is , I don’t agree with Reform on all kinds of things but yep I would only lift the child benefit cap for under 5s and after that at least 25 hours work by one of the household unless disabled etc - Reform won’t have this issue because they are all such opportunistic nose in the trough people that they will all just tow the party line and keep quiet on things they don’t agree with -

How is giving more money to people who are feckless in the first place (and there are many despite all the calls of ‘it’s just rage bait!, I meet many on the daily in my job, some acquaintances included) going to ensure this extra money will go on all things children exclusively? It’s naive.

Of course children shouldn’t be punished for the faults of lazy feckless parents, but there has to be a line, an example set at some point. Surely supermarket food vouchers, clothing vouchers, help with childcare to get back into work etc would be better? There should be a timescale.

Also all personal responsibility seems to have gone out the window. Through my job I meet many who have genuinely been dealt a shit card in life, but there are many whose poor decisions are everyone else’s fault bar their own.

Death, ill health and relationship breakdowns are not new phenomena, think about how you will care for your 4/5 children in the event any of the above occurs? Is that really so wild to consider.

It costs money to run a country, and the current government are having to not just run the country but try to fund its recovery from 14 years of Tory underfunding, greed, corruption and incompetence.

The first priority should be equalising, at the very least, capital gains and income taxes, and increasing taxes on wealth rather than income. But having said that, as a basic rate tax payer with few assets, I wouldn't have a problem with paying a bit more tax to address the problems that need to be addressed.

Because not everyone is selfishly only out for themselves?!

Anyone who disagrees with lifting the 2 child benefit cap disgusts me. It is for the benefit of the CHILD, who did not ask to be born. There are so many other ridiculous ways taxpayer money is wasted, anyone who focuses on a benefit that helps children in poverty is a disgrace.

Yes let’s hope the people on her with kids in private school who are arguing about a few hundred quid are in the minority

I completely understand why there has been uproar over this, if you think about people who choose not to work and keep having babies etc.

However, as a mum of four children who has worked all her life, bought a house and lived comfortably on two incomes with her husband, I had to give up my job as my youngest son was diagnosed with a rare life limiting genetic disorder.

He needs 24 hour care - the shock going from two incomes to one crippled, especially as it took 9 months to get DLA and a very small amount of UC after the deductions due to my husbands wage. This will be a massive help for us as each month is a struggle.

*impoverished

@SnowQueens Those children exist though and if they grow up in abject poverty they are more likely to have children that go on to do the same.

I suppose it’s like some people support giving money to international development/ countries in crisis and other people say ‘meh charity begins at home, nothing to do with us.’ It’s about whether we are collectively responsible as a society or completely individualistic (and your lot there depends in part on hard work but a large part is down to luck - where you are born & if you are in good health!)