Tax TAx TAX!!!!!! Fuming at our government!

[Baldylovingbeard]

please try and convince me otherwise…..

What a joke this government are!!! ( UK)

Let’s just tax everyone who earns a bit of cash!!! Oh and while we’re at it… go on have loads more children it’s ok others will pay for them!!! Cutting the 2child benefit cap! If you decide to have multiple children you should be able to afford to provide for them. NOT expect others too!!!!! If you fall on hard times and you’ve worked and contributed to paying tax than you are within your rights to claim tax this is what benefits were made for, it’s not a means to not work, have more kids….etc!

Oh and if you work really hard and want to put some money by for you later days in life…. You’ll be taxed!

My situation:
Part time work, full time mum to 1 child. I work for myself and earn around 10k this money usually pays for things our daughter needs… clothes, clubs, any treats.
Husband works long hours, his under a lot of stress with his job, he has worked his way to and earns a very good salary 100k he gets taxed 60% you do the maths on that! We live in a 3 bed around £280k so nothing crazy but live within our means. We have one car! One holiday a year! Put money into savings! Pension! our daughter goes to one after school club. My husband got kicked out of home at 16…. He has worked with no help from family or friends and I believe he has worked very hard to get to where he is now. we are generous with charity’s and try our best to help out when we can if we can!

Does anyone really think that people are having babies to claim child benefit. It's like £20 a week. Which is great and helps those of us on low incomes. But it's not gonna keep a child fgs.

Perhaps you could pay for all your daughter’s schooling and health care for your family if you are so concerned about tax?

And l never use on public transport or publicly funded roads.

I don’t have faith in this at all. I deal with children who live in poverty daily, but the parents have 6 dogs, amazing nail art and are ridiculously overweight, so are clearly eating more than enough. They just don’t prioritise their children.

Libertarians Keep trying to set up their own free republics where taxation is voluntary. The latest one is somewhere in Panama, and there's a patch of no man's land in New Mexico or Arizona. Unsurprisingly the billionaire tech bros love it, but it all goes tits up when the rubbish starts piling up.

Somalia has an extremely business friendly low tax environment if you know the right warlords

Jesus Christ.

I haven’t RTFT , but one point I want to make is that I believe that we have to support those vulnerable in our society in order to live in a civilised society. Hence benefits. I have no wish to returning to Victorian society with small children living in groups in slums, or 10 people to a room, or workhouses. Those individuals were always seen as the underserving poor, and that belief system is still held by many in our society. Surely not supporting people leads to an increase in crime, addiction, civil unrest and so on. And the media encourages us to scapegoat these communities whilst continuing to defend multi millionaires, tax evading corporations and individuals and so on.

I agree that the squeezed middle continue to pay for this ; there are so many loopholes and it is not in the interests of those in power to address that.

‘Twas ever thus… the rich get richer, the poor get poorer and the middle are squeezed . But it is obviously the fault of the feckless poor!

As an aside, I am in the squeezed middle and am much poorer than I was 10 years ago despite progressing in my career. I would still pay more tax if it meant that public services were improved and yes, so that we support those who are vulnerable in society.

It's gullible to trust parents to use the extra cash wisely, a lot will not.

No, but they are not behaving responsibly either.

I had one child. After having said child DH and I debated a second and ultimately decided it was too expensive. We even considered how we would cope in the event of divorce, or if one of us died. So one child it was.

I guess when you’re working and don’t get any government assistance, you have no choice but to think about these things.

One I don't understand. An individual deciding that voting isn't for them because of reasons is fine. But to think that 50% of the adult population also shouldn't vote is a weird one to put out with no explanation.

the 10% is for services now - how about you pay the £100k for your birth and education

The poor in workhouses worked.

The poor today too often stay in bed, whilst others work.

You can look back through the quote history if you like. There was a basis to what I said, but this thread has gone a bit nutty, as you might have noticed.

Exactly !

You are definitely taking the piss now!

“I think if someone is working, then the money they earn is theirs”.

So how do you propose society is funded if we all keep our money and don’t pay tax?

It's not about child benefit. Average payout to larger familiies will be about 5000 a year on top of what they are already getting

@24kPalamino on 55k you likely get a better deal here…

Yes but if they don't work or have disabilities they will be benefit capped.

If the government confiscates my income without providing any goods or services in return, that is theft. The rate all the handouts are going, I'm subsidising people to sit back and enjoy life while I wedge myself on some sardine tin of a train because I can't afford to live where I work, and then I'm told I also can't have any of the subsidies for my children. Only people who couldn't give a fuck about affordability can have child benefit. Well, fuck that. I'm not that rich, but I have enough skills to work anywhere and then everyone can carry on fighting about the tiny pie.

If I paid £220000 over my lifetime in work, then you’ve had your fictional £100000 for my birth and education (however in my world, as a responsible family we would have been paying for excellent quality health insurance to cover my birth, so it would have only been the excess). And as I have a private pension, private healthcare and don’t have multiple kids in school - and the one I did have by your standards will pay for his own education in future - I don’t use that many services do I. Except perhaps the bin men…but surely my additional council tax covers that?

You will pay more than 10% in the US.

Everyone for themselves.

Child Benefit has nothing to do with the 2 child cap.

There's no such thing as community said La Thatcher - have we not learned that without community and sharing the burden of everyone's needs we are nothing?

So sick of this ridiculous drama. Especially by people like the OP who clearly know nothing about tax rules. Get a grip. Im a medium earner, im happy to pay tax because I want to live in a country with functioning public services and I’m happy to support those who need it. When did society become so fucking selfish.