Tax TAx TAX!!!!!! Fuming at our government!

[Baldylovingbeard]

please try and convince me otherwise…..

What a joke this government are!!! ( UK)

Let’s just tax everyone who earns a bit of cash!!! Oh and while we’re at it… go on have loads more children it’s ok others will pay for them!!! Cutting the 2child benefit cap! If you decide to have multiple children you should be able to afford to provide for them. NOT expect others too!!!!! If you fall on hard times and you’ve worked and contributed to paying tax than you are within your rights to claim tax this is what benefits were made for, it’s not a means to not work, have more kids….etc!

Oh and if you work really hard and want to put some money by for you later days in life…. You’ll be taxed!

My situation:
Part time work, full time mum to 1 child. I work for myself and earn around 10k this money usually pays for things our daughter needs… clothes, clubs, any treats.
Husband works long hours, his under a lot of stress with his job, he has worked his way to and earns a very good salary 100k he gets taxed 60% you do the maths on that! We live in a 3 bed around £280k so nothing crazy but live within our means. We have one car! One holiday a year! Put money into savings! Pension! our daughter goes to one after school club. My husband got kicked out of home at 16…. He has worked with no help from family or friends and I believe he has worked very hard to get to where he is now. we are generous with charity’s and try our best to help out when we can if we can!

It’s not about whether they can afford it, it’s why other people are more entitled to their money than they are.

Surely that argument is for all tax?

Golden rule. NEVER Labour. They always trash the economy.

Not hammering growth. You won’t get far doing that.

There is a marginal rate of 60% between £100K & £125K because you lose a £1 of personal allowance for every £2 of earnings but for everything over £125 income tax is 45%.

@EasternStandard I’ve asked how you fund an ageing population? Anything to add or just more platitudes? Why was growth so elusive under the Tories?

Not exactly.

It's just one group of society are fed up of funding NHS for everyone. And then welfare for millions of others. And pay increased for public sector. Etc, etc, etc, the list goes on, it's always the same group of people paying for everyone else, and very frequently denied the very services they are funding for others.

The thing is that in many cases people didn't actually work hard to earn the £5 million pounds to buy that house - they bought it for a much smaller sum and then just sat in it while house prices sky rocketed.

Even the two examples given on the recent ' mansion house' thread talking about how unfair it is relate to people who either bought family homes ages ago for relative peanuts or inherited the money to buy them.

What I don’t understand is priorities; why are the families due to get more child benefit also having to pay an extortionate amount for school uniform?

Surely making all school uniform standardised so parents can buy it from supermarkets (at no cost to the taxpayer) is more of a priority than using tax payers money for more child benefit so that the parents can afford expensive school uniform?

Lower tax rates don't mean that tax hasn't been paid. The default position isn't that tax is 100% and anything less than that is a tax cut. It is a very peculiar way of looking at things. That 130bn isn't tax that hasn't been paid it is money that has remained in peoples wallets/bank accounts as it was theirs in the first place.

An ageing population in itself restricts growth so @EasternStandard how do you create growth in that environment, any examples?

I don’t work a third of the year for free. A THIRD.

I earn £56,000 and pay out £10,000 in tax and NI (or thereabouts) which is less than 1/5 of my year, or 2.5 months. That’s a lot better than a third.

And the services are rubbish! The op’s husband definitely isn’t getting £32,000 worth. I mean, I’m barely getting my £10,000 worth if you ask me.

The reality is that workers are working for others to access the services without having to work themselves. It’s legalised theft.

Euthanasia bill

Just to edit:
I don’t think this is the moral solution… but I do think we will see the sentiment normalised in the coming years.

So where has that worked?

I think we are going to see a societal shift towards euthanasia over nursing homes.

Because I am sick to death of the controversy around the two child cap being lifted and the benefit bashing when the majority of people do not understand what lifting it would mean.

There are, of course, exemptions to all caps, including the benefit cap. Things like PIP payments, which people would be entitled to working as well. The core of the issue is people keep justifying their resentment of the cap being lifted by pointing towards a small minority of claimants who do not work, are exempt from the benefits cap and have more than 2 children. Punishing the many to spite the few. Its ludicrous.

No he is not working for free. He is paying towards things that he uses. Such as:

Defence, education, infrastructure, etc

All the things the Romans never done for us.

No wait, the Romans did do those things, and funny enough, they paid for it with tax.

Go to Dubai ?

SPLITTERS !

Maybe child benefit should go back to some form of the way it was when I was little, where your income tax threshold was raised for each child you had - the more kids, the less tax you paid.
I know it was altered because some blokes would not pass on the extra money to their wives to spend on the children, but surely there could be some way for people to feel incentivised to work and rewarded for doing so if they want a big family. Perhaps a low basic benefit for all families combined with a tax perk for each child?

@Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim how so? in order to save money you need to deal with the problem before people end up in care homes. The state pension & NHS alone is unaffordable.

What is your alternative solution to restoring the public purse following the devastating cost of the pandemic, during which wealthy people (I am classed as one - business owner) received handouts from the state at an eyewateringly high cost to help us retain our employees and avoid going under?

Bearing in mind that this cost came after decades of ideological austerity that meant our public services were cut to the bone and now don't function?

I don't want to pay more tax.

No one wants to pay more tax.

But we have a relatively low tax environment compared to certainly developed European nations which are our closest equivalent, paired with a perception that we are over-taxed, overlaid onto a desire to be able to see a GP/drive on smooth roads/receive a decent pension.

Something has to give.

So do you think people who earn a lot more should pay the same amount of tax as people who earn a lot less, just so that they’re not working more time “for free”?

Should some of the directors I work with on income not far short of half a million pay the same amount of tax as a nurse on £30k so that they work the same amount of time “for free”?

You are absolutely about to get flamed and rightly so.

i own a business and have never had to claim any sort of state benefits (thank god). I pay more in tax then some people earn in a salary but do you know what? I would be happy to know that my taxes are funding children that are pushed into poverty.

its insane that as a parent your happy to see children suffer.

your on a very high horse for someone who works part time

What did I just read?

Bingo! you nailed it.

Before I retired last year (because of Labour policy) my effective tax rate was over 37%. DC were at private school.
I definitely didn't get this amount of service because I was paying partly for yours and most definitely for a couple of families UC, child benefit etc etc.

This taxation drive highly productive population out, either abroad, or into retirement and part timing.

I think you’re getting this wrong.

I personally don’t want to spite anyone. I don’t want to punish anyone.

I simply don’t want to give other people the money I have worked for.

I get up at 6am, get home around 4.30pm on a good day, but 7pm on a bad day. I work, sleep, work…5 days of the week. Of course I don’t want to share. Not out of spite, out of principle. If Joe Bloggs decided to go have 7 kids he can’t afford, then that’s his problem, not mine.

The government have already addressed this.