Tax TAx TAX!!!!!! Fuming at our government!

[Baldylovingbeard]

please try and convince me otherwise…..

What a joke this government are!!! ( UK)

Let’s just tax everyone who earns a bit of cash!!! Oh and while we’re at it… go on have loads more children it’s ok others will pay for them!!! Cutting the 2child benefit cap! If you decide to have multiple children you should be able to afford to provide for them. NOT expect others too!!!!! If you fall on hard times and you’ve worked and contributed to paying tax than you are within your rights to claim tax this is what benefits were made for, it’s not a means to not work, have more kids….etc!

Oh and if you work really hard and want to put some money by for you later days in life…. You’ll be taxed!

My situation:
Part time work, full time mum to 1 child. I work for myself and earn around 10k this money usually pays for things our daughter needs… clothes, clubs, any treats.
Husband works long hours, his under a lot of stress with his job, he has worked his way to and earns a very good salary 100k he gets taxed 60% you do the maths on that! We live in a 3 bed around £280k so nothing crazy but live within our means. We have one car! One holiday a year! Put money into savings! Pension! our daughter goes to one after school club. My husband got kicked out of home at 16…. He has worked with no help from family or friends and I believe he has worked very hard to get to where he is now. we are generous with charity’s and try our best to help out when we can if we can!

That’s fine if you don’t use public services…but you do and they aren’t free. Would you sooner pay £400- £1000+ a month for health services, toll roads, take your rubbish to a private dump with a fee etc..

You’re weighing in on a conversation that began with the pp saying she can’t understand people who are happy to pay tax and say they’d be willing to pay more. That’s what I was responding to - your comment is irrelevant to my point so try using context.

We have a much lower household income than you, but I'm happy we're paying more tax.

I don't believe anyone should be pissed about not having multiple holidays when children are growing up in poverty. I'd rather live in a decent society

Check my previous posts. I am aware it is not on child benefit. Where in my comment did I confuse the two?
And how many of those UC claimants who aren't working have more than 2 children? How many are disabled or careers? How many are above childbearing age?

Yes but that is rrelevant when you earn £100K and in any case it is absolutely not the same as 60% tax on the whole salary of £100K a year which is what the op tried to suggest. The most he her DH would pay is 20% on the second band of earnings and 40% on anything over £50k.

So, very roughly on £100K that is probably closer to income tax of around 34% on his entire earnings. That is almost half what the Op was suggesting

I do agree about the change foom £100K to £125 being ridiculous though. That is a very annoying quirk though once you get over £125 it starts to equalise out

These tax raises are in the main to increase welfare spending, not to provide of improve services. If the money was going straight to services an awful lot of people wouldn't object but it isn't it's being used to fund cash handouts

There is always this:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/voluntary-payments-donations-to-government#:~:text=If%20you%20wish%20to%20make,specific%20area%20of%20public%20spending.

I always share this with those who claim to appreciate or enjoy paying taxes. If that's true, they can make a voluntary payment directly to the government coffers. The vast majority won't, which rather proves the point that literally everyone who makes money hates giving any of it to the government.

And this is your friend you are talking about ?

Do you always speak so condescendingly? How does that work for you in real life?

I’m not sure anybody thinks that really. But the other options are severely limited and people who were Labour votes traditionally, aren’t going to vote Tory.

And nobody trusts the Lib Dems either.

It’s already been shown that these votes are going to Reform. It’s a statement of discontent.

I mainly don't want the environment completely destroyed.

But hey ho lets lift the benefit cap so people get paid to have more kids they can't afford and those kids can grow up and find there are even less jobs and houses to go round than there are now - especially with AI - and everyone can just get more and more fucked.

What we need are far less people and far more jobs, but Labour are doing absolutely nothing to help that by raising NICs and raising NMW. No one is better off from raising NMW because all it means is that everything else goes up in price and companies hire less people.

Labour have just been a huge disaster unfortunately.

Your husband doesn’t get taxed on the whole 100k

Because huge corporations trade here and pay no tax

You asked me if I was aware it would predominantly help working families so I wondered if you knew the difference between child benefit and universal credit seeing as most uc claimants quite literally don’t work? And look I’m not begrudging anyone who needs help I’ve been there but you can’t deny people who have 4+ kids while claiming are taking the piss. You can’t expect tax payers to vote labour again

Or alternatively people so poorly paid that they require state top ups could think about not having more than 2 children!

Why the hyperbole, he doesn't pay 60% tax at all. Tax and NI deductions on his 100k salary are 32% give or take. So about half the amount you claimed.

Simply pointing out that what you said in reply to me had no relevance, sorry if you didn’t like it.

Bullying people into paying tax is never a good thing. It sows resentment within the greater society and removes any incentive there was to get up and go to work.

The key issue with the 2 child cap was one of fairness. We can have as many children as we're able/want but the UK state will only provide significant money via means-tested benefits (Universal Credit) for the first two. All children will still get child benefit, free healthcare, schooling, libraries, playgrounds etc. Quite right too!

Now, the only people who can afford 3 children or more are the wealthy or the very poor. That's not right, nor good for the UK financially or in terms of our social cohesion.

It's a shameless attempt to blatantly bribe/shore up votes in Labour constituencies with a high Muslim population. Bad news for Jess Phillips and others, you're still going to be kicked out by an Independent Gaza candidate in 2029.

Weirdly, my salary doesn't increase by £3.5k (tax-free) for every additional child I have. I am very angry. I will not vote Labour under any circumstances in the next election. And I was raised in a Guardian-reading & Radio 4 in the background household. So solidly centre-left with a focus on animal welfare & the environment.

This was a spectacularly stupid Budget, the results of which will become more and more painful and unpopular as we approach an expected Summer 2029 General Election. Labour must be already tired of being in Government, if it's so very keen to lose next time.

See a tax adviser as you don’t pay 60% tax on 100k- are you claiming that benefits to help the poor should also be given to you ? Because you are greedy rather than proud of being self supporting ?

If the very poor can afford 3 kids so can those on average wages because they will have more money than the very poor who you claim can afford 3 kids

get a grip

If he earns £100k he isn’t paying 60% tax.

Regards,
another six figure earner

No that's not how it works because those on average wages aren't in social housing and have to cover many more of the costs of having children.

So you were really ok with women having to prove they were raped to get governmental support? Or people with 3/4 children being plunged into poverty because they lost their jobs?

I grew up in poverty with 2 parents who worked as much as they could. Only through government help was I able to stay in school until 18 and go to uni. I have 2 degrees now and I pay shit loads of tax as a c-level exec. Don’t be short sighted, these safety nets allow children the space to actually build a career for themselves. A lot of my friends left school at 16 to work in factories because they had little choice.

Another very simplistic "polishing your halo" way of looking at it.

Simpering "I'm happy to help those less fortunate" with zero appreciation of the economics of it.