Labour isn't working - Thread 21

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

We are bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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David Blunkett is also against lifting the cap. He believes that there should be an exemption for disabled children, and parents who are widowed.

Sage.

I am confident if we broke out the demographics as to the numbers relating to large families, a pattern would be clear. That may have been done already.

The Labour back benches pandering to their constituents, whilst the tax payer is held hostage.

I'm starting to think that the no representation without taxation slogan was apt. We'll end up with votors voting in governments that give them money and they pay nothing in return. We're already there.

I think if we were running a surplus, I'd make a punt for the return of sure start centres before I jettisoned the two child cap. These levels of school unreadiness and the falling dominoes from that point throughout the education system, needs to change.

Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng were vilified for their budget in 2022 and the same may happen here.
The PM and the chancellor should stand up to their back benchers over welfare cuts and the cap on two children benefits and jusy do it. ITV had a poll today on it and 78 percent or something ( it was high anyway ) were against it being lifted.
It’s an unpopular move. They just can’t see it.

I am critical of them. I have conservative beliefs. I believe in a free market, low-ish taxes and rewarding hard work. I think the welfare state should be restricted and a last resort for the truly needy.

I'm socially conservative and believe in low immigration and us controlling our borders.

Yes - this is it, absolutely.

All perfectly reasonable IMHO.

The school I worked at went from a 2 form entry to 1, basically lining up up with a 2018 birthdate. The most neglected children weren't the poorest, it was from parents who had no time or inclination to look after their children, often because they have too many. We don't have enough social housing for people to have big families. Certain families will just have a child every 2 years to avoid having to go back to work.

This is truly being driven by ideology rather than what is best for children. There are much bigger issues we need to tackle - the huge difference in development bought on by children just being put in front of screens. It would break anyone's heart to see a 5 year old, barely able to speak and with no self control as they only ever experienced soothing from a phone. My school had about 7 or 8 children like this.

I think the distinction here is, Reeves has to walk the line between bond investors and the back benches. We, as tax payers, are not part of the equation, currently.

To satisfy the former, she needs to increase taxation (and to increase the fiscal buffer), and to manage inflation.

To satisfy the latter, she has to throw them red meat in the form of additional welfare spending.

If she can pull it off, it will naturally prove negative for many of us, as it implies that she and Starmer will remain safe, until the next fuck up, anyway.

Yes, I understand. This is prevalent in my constituency.

Labour’s tax rises are forcing wealthy people to flee Britain, the Business Secretary has admitted.

Peter Kyle said he was not going to “duck the fact” that individuals of a high net worth had been driven out by Rachel Reeves’s tax raid on non-doms.
He also said entrepreneurs were abandoning the UK “in their droves” because they “haven’t had the funding to succeed”.

Labour has been accused of targeting wealthy people with tax rises while plotting £15bn of extra benefits spending in this week’s Budget.

On Monday, Mr Kyle was asked whether the Government was prepared to acknowledge that Labour’s tax decisions had led to people leaving the country.
He said: “I do. I’m not going to duck the fact that we have put up taxes, and we’ve closed some of the loopholes for non-doms. Some people are going to leave because they are here because of how the old non-dom system worked.”

Thank you

I agree with this 💯 Back in Jurassic pre-2010 times, we lived in what was classified as a deprived area and it had a wonderful Sure Start centre. All sorts of facilities, drop-insessions and classes for local families. A lovely well-equipped nursery with experienced staff. I could see how much good it was doing for the local children (or at least the ones whose families took up the offerings). If we really wanted to improve the futures of the most needy children we should definitely prioritise getting Sure Start back into communities.

That's missing the point. If he's said he can't leave the house how has he managed to travel halfway around the world? The length of time he's away is irrelevant.

Passports should be tracked depending on the reasons given for claiming PIP. Assessments should always be in person, they were only changed to online because of COVID. He gets £9600pa and I deeply resent my taxes funding his travels.

The non doms bs from Labour was just a way to attack Sunak's wife. Sickening.

Kyle has just made an idiot of himself at the CBI conference. Kemi otoh gave an excellent speech which I hope resonated with the audience.

Yes, and I think that there was research that showed there are still observable differences between those children, now adults and almost adults, who were in walking distance to these centres and those in similarly deprived neighborhoods without easy access to them. I'll see if I can dig it out.

Children living near Sure Start centres did better at GCSEs, study suggests - BBC News https://share.google/nyGPHrYbuJ32oRsmZ

Three grades better sounds arbitrary but I suppose it's all the unmeasurable things about wellbeing and support that afforded that and which will continue long beyond GCSEs. Personally, I think its success was in its ability to somewhat fill the gap left by atomised families and deconstructed communities. I think it did a lot of heavy lifting.

Thank you, I shall watch that.

Report him then. You clearly want to / should! You're complicit if you don't.

Sam Coates just said that Kyle is lying in an interview with him. Normally he's fairly mild mannered as political journalists go.

Good. I'm glad he's calling them out.
Coates has done similar previously with Reeves.

Can we have Ed Balls and George Osborne in power? Ed Balls would have gone for raising the basic rate / yes - that’s what left wingers have to do if they’re serious about having that scandi paradise and not just a high tax poor service nightmare, and Osborne would raise VAT and make disability criteria tougher (can only hope that he’d either special rate education or abolish education vat).

both of those measures would hit a broader tax base than what we’re about to see of the same old mugs in the frame…

Good.

He clearly can't stomach the numberwang claims about the economy.

No dice for Ed Balls thanks, he is full gender wang.

And we could’ve kept sure start and not expanded ‘free’ nursery hours. I’d love to know which was better for that group of kids - nursery, or sure start.