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Fancy cars for disabled people

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LemaxObsessive · 16/11/2025 19:23

Motability.

I am sick to absolute death of seeing people saying on various threads, that Motability vehicles are “given” to us disabled people “for free”.

PIP is awarded in 2 separate elements.

  1. Daily Living (day to day care needs etc)
  2. Mobility
Each element is paid at different rates depending on how affected by your disability you are (and yes, medical evidence is required). However, to be eligible for Motability, you need to be getting the highest rate of the Mobility element. This is currently £77.05 per week (which works out at £308.20 per 4 weeks or £333.88 per month).

When you join Motability you agree for the DWP to give Motability that £77.05 per week instead of it being paid to your bank. If you also receive the Daily Living element of PIP then you will still receive that directly.

You ALSO, in most cases, have to pay an advance payment (AP) for the vehicle. The better the vehicle, the higher the AP. You do not get the AP back.
The £77.05 per week pays for the lease of the car, insurance, roadside assistance, tyres & windshield cover. Disabled people in receipt of the highest rate of the PIP mobility element are already exempt from road tax.

With regards to the ‘fancy’ cars such as BMW, Audi & Mercedes, as you can imagine all of these have a whopping great AP in the multiple thousands of pounds; Which as I said, you don’t get back.
The taxpayer is not paying a penny towards these vehicles besides the fact that Motability don’t currently pay VAT which I believe is up for discussion.

I think a really important point to make here is that PIP is categorically not means tested (even millionaires can claim it, provided their health meets the criteria) and is not paid to replace a disabled person’s income! In other words, people do not live off PIP instead of working, it is paid to cover the added costs associated with being disabled. Costs non-disabled people likely have never even considered, such as cleaners when we can’t do it, basic gardening when we can’t do it, extra electricity for when medical equipment is used at home, ready meals when we’re bed-bound, delivery charges for every single thing we buy because click & collect isn't possible, taxis to work because the bus always already has a wheelchair user on it, along with lots of other small but mounting costs we have zero choice but to pay because the alternative isn’t an option for us. The lowest rate of PIP is just £29.20 per week so we’re not talking big money!

Millions of PIP claimants work full time but crucially, couldn’t do so without PIP and in many cases, without Motability!

As I said above, even wealthy people are eligible to claim PIP to cover the added costs associated with their disability and they can, if they receive the highest rate of the Mobility Component of PIP choose to use Motability. If they want to spend £7,999 plus £77.05 per week to lease an Audi Q4 for 3 years then they can but not many do because it’s a lot of money to have nothing to show for it after 3 years.

So no, nobody is being ‘given free BMWs, Audis or Mercedes’ regardless of what’s being said by anyone!

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LemaxObsessive · 17/11/2025 19:24

UserFront242 · 17/11/2025 19:20

Sadly, you could have this printed in the form of leaflets and posted through every door in the country as a sort of public information thing, and you will still get people going on about someone having a Lamborghini for acne.

🤣🤣🤣🤣👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Too true!

OP posts:
LemaxObsessive · 17/11/2025 19:26

ventyb · 17/11/2025 18:50

Wasnt it? I bet I’m not the only carer who has had enough of justifying my child’s life to the point I wonder if it’s worth living at all because of threads like these.

You all lost me at no ventilators for disabled people during covid and it’s got worse and worse since. It’s non stop hatred.

Pardon? I hope you’re not including me in that “you all?” I am a severely disabled lone parent and Motability car user. I posted this thread to try and STOP the spread of misinformation

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Gingerkittykat · 17/11/2025 19:26

youalright · 16/11/2025 20:30

But like I said previously I use my mobility part of pip to pay for taxis to get to appointments as my consultants are spread around the country before I claimed pip I used hospital transport which I would imagine cost the tax payer more. You take money away from the disabled they will still be disabled and there needs will still need to be met which will likely cost the government more

Can I ask how far away your appointments are and how often they are? A taxi to my local hospital costs £15 one way, and I just put my journey to a hospital 25 miles away into a taxi calculator and it said £41. I can't see the PIP mobility part covers regular appointments a long way from home.

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Summerdoll · 17/11/2025 19:27

Id love to know how many on this thread actually have chosen a fancy car, ie BMW Audi Sportage for vanity? Bet not one person admits to it.

HappyNewTaxYear · 17/11/2025 19:35

Summerdoll · 17/11/2025 19:27

Id love to know how many on this thread actually have chosen a fancy car, ie BMW Audi Sportage for vanity? Bet not one person admits to it.

Do you mean through the Motability scheme, or not?

TerrazzoChips · 17/11/2025 19:35

NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/11/2025 16:45

How do they get their severely disabled child with breathing apparatus and spasticity in their limbs into the back seat of a hatchback? Open the driver door and chuck them over the headrest?

What about the adult who can't be in the front seat due to osteogenesis imperfecta in case the air bag is detonated? Or the person whose knee doesn't bend? Or the spine that can't cope with the drop down or lift up from a hatchback? Where do the crutches go when you can't have them rattling around loose in the front seat? Or the person whose disability includes a significant likelihood of grabbing the gearstick or wheel when disregulated? Or how do they deal with two people with disabilities at once - sorry, love, you'll have to stay at home whilst I take Jamie on holiday unless we tie you to the roof with some bungee straps?

I agree entirely but if an SUV is required why isn’t a Kia or Dacia or Honda or ford ok? Why does it need to be an Audi? What does a BMW i4 provide that a Toyota doesn’t?

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 17/11/2025 19:35

Summerdoll · 17/11/2025 19:27

Id love to know how many on this thread actually have chosen a fancy car, ie BMW Audi Sportage for vanity? Bet not one person admits to it.

What is a BMW Audi Sportage? 🤔

menopausalfart · 17/11/2025 19:37

@ventyb Imagine being jealous of people who are disabled? We as carers know just how fking difficult it is to fight for every morsel for our children to have easier lives. The disabled are not the reason this country is in the mess it is. It's successive governments lining the pockets of their rich friends. The rich get richer and the poor get the blame. They pit us against each other, and it shows by some of the vitriol on this thread.

MaidOfSteel · 17/11/2025 19:37

ThejoyofNC · 16/11/2025 20:04

If someone is spending the price of a normal car as a down payment for a luxury car do you really think that's acceptable?

You can’t seriously think needing a vehicle big enough to take an electric wheelchair and the user is a fucking luxury?? You need to take a long, hard look in the mirror. You’re not a good person.

youalright · 17/11/2025 19:38

Summerdoll · 17/11/2025 19:27

Id love to know how many on this thread actually have chosen a fancy car, ie BMW Audi Sportage for vanity? Bet not one person admits to it.

Well I'm on high rate mobility and chose to keep the car i already own and use my mobility payments on taxis. Why would I want to pay to lease a car when I already own one especially when they could take it away at any moment so that I'm left with no car

youalright · 17/11/2025 19:46

Gingerkittykat · 17/11/2025 19:26

Can I ask how far away your appointments are and how often they are? A taxi to my local hospital costs £15 one way, and I just put my journey to a hospital 25 miles away into a taxi calculator and it said £41. I can't see the PIP mobility part covers regular appointments a long way from home.

I have multiple consultants mainly between 2 to 3 1/2 hours away all in opposite directions. Usually costs between 200 - 400 pound return. I have one in London i have to go to monthly as on a trial and then one i go to every 3 months. One i go to every 6 months and one i go to randomly sometimes its several times in a month other times it can be months inbetween. Then obviously appointments at my local hospital for basic stuff but because my condition is rare and effects multiple organs my local hospital doesn't have the specialists. And most of my other consultants won't accept imaging from other hospitals and want there own so it can mean traveling 2- 3 hours for things as basic as mri scans and this is obviously when things are going smoothly when things go to shit the appointments increase. This also doesn't include extra appointments for surgeries hospital stays etc these are just basic outpatient appointments

Gingerkittykat · 17/11/2025 19:49

OnlyTheBravest · 17/11/2025 13:58

Thanks for detailing the scheme Op.

I think the Mobility scheme throws up some interesting questions and the obvious one is what standard of living should the state provide.
Until this is answered there is going to be an issue with any scheme.

No one has an issue with the Mobility scheme providing assistance to people who have been met the criteria. However should that mean that the scheme includes luxury cars during a cost of living crisis.

What has surprised me is that the people I thought would benefit from the scheme or I definitely thought should benefit from this scheme (WAV users) still have to pay £6000 upfront. That absolutely shocks me.

And this makes me so angry because there is not enough enforcement in this area and to those stating there is no fraud, it is only because it take a lot of money that councils do not have right now to investigate cases.

https://www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/cars/drivers-blue-badge-misuse-croydon-parking-london

This is not PIP or motability fraud, it is misuse of blue badges and I bet the majority of misuse is by able bodied people who are using their dead granny's badge or have bought one illegally.

MaidOfSteel · 17/11/2025 19:52

hattie43 · 16/11/2025 20:24

Its still money being paid out of the public purse .

I do laugh at arguments launch as this, here on MUMsnet. Do all the mothers here not recall all that free Child Benefit they’ve had for years and years when saying things like this.

OnlyTheBravest · 17/11/2025 19:52

@Gingerkittykat They removed 32 vehicles. The vehicles would have come from the mobility scheme. The badge was in the car.
So it is a case of Motability fraud. Obtaining a car and benefiting from a scheme that they would not have qualified for.

Yesimmoaningaboutbenefits · 17/11/2025 19:53

TerrazzoChips · 17/11/2025 19:35

I agree entirely but if an SUV is required why isn’t a Kia or Dacia or Honda or ford ok? Why does it need to be an Audi? What does a BMW i4 provide that a Toyota doesn’t?

Because it's the car companies that choose whether they want to be part of the motability scheme or not. The disabled clients can't just say, "I want xyz!" and they get it.

BatchCookBabe · 17/11/2025 19:55

Summerdoll · 17/11/2025 19:27

Id love to know how many on this thread actually have chosen a fancy car, ie BMW Audi Sportage for vanity? Bet not one person admits to it.

No-one will admit to this, because that car doesn't exist. 🙄

This thread is almost on the verge of being funny now, as the comments (from a few posters) are so ludicrous.

To anyone who has disabilities, has PIP/ESA/a mobility car, PLEASE don't take the comments berating you to heart. Most people don't think like this, (like the small number of Negative Nellies on this thread...) So don't upset yourselves, or get worked up. Flowers It's just not worth it. No-one's going to change their minds....

I don't even get why this thread is still standing. Some of the comments on it are abhorrent.

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Kirbert2 · 17/11/2025 19:57

TerrazzoChips · 17/11/2025 19:35

I agree entirely but if an SUV is required why isn’t a Kia or Dacia or Honda or ford ok? Why does it need to be an Audi? What does a BMW i4 provide that a Toyota doesn’t?

I imagine because people pay the advanced payment from their own money and especially when it comes to WAVs, the Dacia etc isn't that much cheaper.

Yesimmoaningaboutbenefits · 17/11/2025 19:57

OnlyTheBravest · 17/11/2025 19:52

@Gingerkittykat They removed 32 vehicles. The vehicles would have come from the mobility scheme. The badge was in the car.
So it is a case of Motability fraud. Obtaining a car and benefiting from a scheme that they would not have qualified for.

If you read the article, the car seized were stolen. Not motability fraud.

MaidOfSteel · 17/11/2025 20:00

ElizabethG81 · 16/11/2025 20:25

Exactly. You question why someone should perhaps be expected to use their spare £8k to support themselves in other ways rather than use it to buy a BMW and you suddenly want disabled people to be poor and for them to have to drive round in marked cars (for the record I absolutely don’t want either of these things). This debate gets hysterical every time.

The problem we have as a country is that we have no money, and we need to have sensible discussions about things like this without resorting to accusations that anyone who wants to rein spending in a bit wants all disabled people to disappear.

We know this is the case. But instead of picking on disabled people, making us feel like something you’ve trodden in, shouldn’t your ire be reserved for the government? Ask them about the massive recent increase in PIP claims? Or is that too hard, and instead it’s easier to slag people in wheelchairs?

OnlyTheBravest · 17/11/2025 20:06

@Yesimmoaningaboutbenefits
directly from the article. 'Their work has led to 32 vehicles being seized'

Not one stolen one. As I stated in my previous post. Most people do not have an issue with people issued with Mobility cars following the PIP assessment but to claim there is no fraud from the system is untrue. I pointed out that there are no valid figures because Councils do not have the money to take on the level of enforcement required.

Yesimmoaningaboutbenefits · 17/11/2025 20:08

OnlyTheBravest · 17/11/2025 20:06

@Yesimmoaningaboutbenefits
directly from the article. 'Their work has led to 32 vehicles being seized'

Not one stolen one. As I stated in my previous post. Most people do not have an issue with people issued with Mobility cars following the PIP assessment but to claim there is no fraud from the system is untrue. I pointed out that there are no valid figures because Councils do not have the money to take on the level of enforcement required.

Absolutely nowhere in the article, does it mention motability. But it does give 2 examples of stolen vehicles being seized.

OnlyTheBravest · 17/11/2025 20:15

Fine. You are correct there is NO fraud in the system and the number of increasing claimants is sustainable.

Keep shouting people down, who are trying to have a rationale discussion with you and when the Government end up making changes to the system because the right wing media force them to. Do not expect any sympathy because we told you so!

Yesimmoaningaboutbenefits · 17/11/2025 20:30

OnlyTheBravest · 17/11/2025 20:15

Fine. You are correct there is NO fraud in the system and the number of increasing claimants is sustainable.

Keep shouting people down, who are trying to have a rationale discussion with you and when the Government end up making changes to the system because the right wing media force them to. Do not expect any sympathy because we told you so!

posts random article that makes no mention of the thing being discussed

There! See! I'm right! 🙄

Vivi0 · 17/11/2025 20:36

Gingerkittykat · 17/11/2025 19:49

This is not PIP or motability fraud, it is misuse of blue badges and I bet the majority of misuse is by able bodied people who are using their dead granny's badge or have bought one illegally.

Yeah, that’s the most likely scenario 🙄

Couldn’t possibly be the holder of the blue badge willingly giving it to relatives for them to use now, could it.

MaidOfSteel · 17/11/2025 20:36

Minty25 · 16/11/2025 20:59

Agree. There's a poster who posts on here a lot who owns 12 rental properties and claims PIP. Loves to brag about her huge retirement pot. Sorry but I do not think it should be allowed.

More angry at a person claiming a disability benefit than being a landlord of so many houses, probably charging sky high rates that people need UC help to pay, keeping valuable homes from being sold to people who need them. Yes, of course. Let’s be angry about the disability benefit..

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