Labour isn't working - Thread 19

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

We are bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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I shudder to think about the cost of implementing it. Kemi Badenoch has said that she will scrap it.

Why don't you challenge posters views on Reform who have signed up to them. You're being very selective and it come across well in this thread. You're happy to challenge me but not them.

Yes.

These kind of people do not have liquidity, so what is going to happen? Are they compelled to take on debt, do the council take a charge on their property, or do funds get taken from their estate when they pass on?

Again, the politics of envy and spite.

If this were the US, I would genuinely fear for the broader outcome.

Going on record.

If you are on this thread to provoke, derail or generally argue the toss, knock yourself out. You will get no response from me, so feel free to continue barking at the moon.

Quite. It’s all rather sad. Makes us look popular whilst the threads they come from sink without trace.

Good advice. Won’t be taken.

We're Band F as well, and have a three-bed house. Our neighbours have a two-bed newly built bungalow that the council decided was a Band G!

Absolutely nuts. It really is. New houses are disproportionately put in higher bands. These are new builds, smaller houses, regular jobs, renters, people mortgaged to the hilt. I mean, if she’s aiming for many homeless families, then it’s a great idea.

I'd like to go on record to say that while I won't personally be voting Reform (I've found the Tories to be excellent on the issues I care about where I now live), I have no issue with people who wish to do so - I think it's completely understandable that people are drawn further left/right towards parties like Reform and the Greens, given present circumstances, and my main issue with them is a lack of economic experience, which I've become a lot twitchier about thanks to Reeves' tenure thus far.

Or people will pay up if they can, and then have no spare money for anything else at all, and more retail and service industry businesses will tank.

OH they're slapping band G on new estates here, whether 2 bed or 5 bed.

I agree. I ignore most musings about Reform because I don’t really care. As a non-working tax payer, in education, with a mortgage. I am extremely concerned about the car crash that is this government who are making my life significantly worse. That’s where my worries are right now. Just how much more damage is and could be done.

We used to have a bog standard new build 4 bed detached in band F. We now have a slightly bigger new build 5 bed with a bit bigger garden and it’s a G. We already pay over £4k a year council tax. It’s ludicrous to think that people can just afford double.

The new estates here the local housing associations buy in because it's cheaper than self build. Doubling the council tax on these band F, G properties means benefits will have to be increased.

I volunteer with the elderly. Many of them have lived in the same house for years, some were born in the house, or their spouse was; others scrimped and saved for years to pay a mortgage. In a 'comfortable' area, not particularly wealthy, many of those houses are F or G, with their owners already paying in the region of £4K in Council Tax. It's been pointed out to me that if that should double, people would have to cash in more of their pension (if they can, otherwise they may have to borrow), which will incur 20% tax (or 40% if they will be drawing over £40K, on top of the State Pension, not unlikely if they have highish expenses). So to pay another £4K in tax will cost them £4800, ie total cost of Council Tax around £8800.

I know it's popular to think that such pensioners are very rich and 'have the broadest shoulders', but in my experience, although like everyone, they would love to pass something to their children if they can, for the vast majority, their number one priority is to have a decent pension pot left so that they can pay for any future care needs. They dread 'being a burden on the State'. Some live unnecessarily frugally for that very reason.

Maybe the current government are happy to drain older people's pensions and leave picking up their care costs for a future government, whatever size 'Black Hole' that government inherits.

I hope those people are able to sleep at night.

They might be kept awake trawling mn to find someone else to pile on.

In which case Labour should have the fucking guts to call it what it is - intergenerational theft.

Let’s get it all out in the open - including the war on aspiration.

Make no mistake, this government is in open conflict with many of us.

Yup. Not engaging with the attention-seeking clowndance.

Same. This thread is about the current government. The op is very clear. It is one thread, out of thousands on MN, that is against this government. Yet we are being attacked on here too.

We rarely discuss the Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru or Reform. Yet we only get complaints about not discussing Reform as they are currently 'the enemy' of Labour supporters. Pre election 'the enemy' was the tories.

The hidden agenda with in the thread.

Quite. The paranoia and hysteria from Labour supporters is next level.

The Labour Party especially Reeves has a 'backwards' idea of what makes a person/family wealthy. This especially in a country that somehow still has the 6th Highest GDP in the World. This despite a collapsing GDP per Capita.

This is why I believe that if country only had a population of 55 million which is what the infrastructure is built for, we would still be the 5th/6th largest country by GDP. But instead of a GDP of £1 per person it would be £1.20 per person (comparative not real) !

My partner works in a reform area it's scraty. None of the people who work their live there. Any party but Reform they are not helping anyone.