Labour isn't working - Thread 19

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We are bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Yep it’s irrelevant. This you must discuss this. That’s what other threads are for.

You don't mind people discussing Reform. You're unhappy with Labour and that's the level you'll lower yourselves to. This affects everyone.

It is a sign of desperation that the Labour 'loons' that post at '4' in the morning are not posting at how the incoming Budget will put an extra £1100 in the average persons pocket. They are concerned by a party that has 5 representatives and 1 question at PMQ's which is regularly shouted over !

1 Question in a 'Blue Moon' that is shouted over and not answered..

It's just so bizarre, the derailments. It's like someone going up to adults having an interesting discussion and shouting "Look at me! Wheee! Bum!" while trying to turn a cartwheel and falling over.

I can’t decide if I should be staging and intervention with Alcoholics Anonymous or another self help group to be honest. It’s so, very bizarre! But this thread is always at the top :)

I’m obviously very out of touch with what people have to pay for council tax in urban areas. I’m rural and pay £1600 a year in one of the highest bands

I don’t think our services are worse than anywhere else especially

£8000 pa is daylight robbery

I can't drink I am on meditation that I pay for to make myself better. I would love to back a bottle of gin and watch a film. Instead I am throwing myself into politics and ensuring Reform doesn't get in.

My property is band E and I pay £3k a year.

I am classed as rural and pay 4K a year in band F. A 4 bed detached on a housing estate. Not a country mansion.

Rural, Band F, £3100 p/a.

I was a bit surprised by the Buckingham Palace council tax claim earlier in the thread and have boringly looked into it as I thought how there are multiple apartments, staff lodgings etc and surely they all have their own council tax band (a high one). it transpires that yes, there are multiple properties that all do pay C Tax, but more importantly it pays £800k plus in business rates.

the doubling of council tax on F+ Properties is moronic anyway when you look at the sorts of small rentable properties it will cover but I don’t think I can stand yet more u turns and mind changing and speculative frenzy whipped up when they were thick enough to start it all, have massively enlarged their “black hole” and are still running about like headless chickens.

Band G in Scotland, husband on state pension and I work 3 days a week for minimum wage. We currently pay over £4,000 a year Council Tax. We don't have the money to pay £8,000 a year. If this comes in it will be catastrophic. Lots of people in band g will have no option but to sell and try and get Band E. Demand for Band G will drop off a cliff, Band G homes will be hard to sell. There will not be enough Band E or lower to meet the demand. Band G where I live is a typical new build family home. Young working couples paying mortgages and childcare will not be able to find an extra £4,000 a year to pay council tax. People will go bankrupt, lose their homes. This idea is the most stupid idea of all of this new Labour government 's. They have u turned on everything else will they u turn on this too. They needed to stick with reducing the benefits bill and get all the people pretending to be too ill to work off benefits and into paying work. But they won't. They will just continue to screw over all t the people who work hard and who have now retired after working hard for 50+ years to pay for all the people who can't be arsed working.

We can easily absorb the increase. We kind of made our own decision to not upgrade to a luxury mansion pile. Wise I think. It means we can pay off early, retire early (hollow laugh) help the kids and be ok if he lost his job for a while…

A decent size house but we chose not to overstretch as we do have a huge income and could quadruple our mortgage. The postie next door can’t afford that though. Nearly 4K a year already. I guess they should know their place and sell up, moving to a smaller house, where they belong according to Labour. It’s going to make larger houses even more elitist liked erm… private schools.

We're on the edge of a town, new build 4 bed terraced townhouse. We're band D and pay £2,400 per year.

I do think that people on here need to improve their manners. It's so rude to keep coming on here to harangue people into thinking / voting as you do. The left need to realise that their way is not the only way and people are free to vote as they choose, including for Reform. Maybe if Labour weren't so fucking shite it wouldn't be an issue (just a thought!).

It is just so dumb its staggering.

When you double tax rates, you don’t double revenue — you double stupidity. You get less activity, less compliance, and less growth. The surest way to shrink your economy is to punish the people who are funding it

Labour really needs to leave longer term decisions/ investments alone. We wouldn't be affected by the new tax, but it's dreadful for young people who have just taken out a 30 year mortgage to find that they can't afford their home, and at the same time plenty of people just about to retire who hadn't planned for significant additional tax. Same with pensions - I'm feeling very nervous now about putting so much money into ours seeing on what a whim Labour will look around for money, not considering whether it's a 'fair' tax or sensible. Finding an extra £400 a month is going to be difficult for a lot of people.

I really wish they would stop all this dripping of a million different ideas. Both my husband and I have lost sleep over it and we would be impacted as badly as the latest crazy iteration.

Hi everyone. We’ve had a closer look at concerns about these threads being derailed, and just wanted to pop on with a quick reminder about how we handle this. Not every shift in conversation counts as derailing as sometimes discussions naturally broaden or move in a slightly different direction, and that’s part of how threads evolve on Mumsnet. We can’t realistically (or fairly) moderate discussions to that level of granularity.

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However, if we spot repeated patterns of posters entering threads purely to provoke, disrupt, or otherwise drag the discussion off-course, we will step in.

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Thanks, all.

@BeckyAMumsnet Thank you.

I think the council tax thing may go back to something Angela Rayner was trying to do with sorting out some of the geographical weirdness which has arisen since the last valuations were last done - so the example of someone living in a terrace in a deprived northern town paying more than someone in a £10M property in London.

So maybe instead of doing a wholesale re-evaluation, they are just going to do the “higher” bands. I’m not sure what the next step would be after that though. Creation of some more bands for the F, G and H houses that are valued above certain levels?

Please keep in mind that everyone is of course free to ignore posts or posters they don’t want to engage with.

However, if we spot repeated patterns of posters entering threads purely to provoke, disrupt, or otherwise drag the discussion off-course, we will step in.

Deliberate attempts to derail conversations or wind other posters up aren’t acceptable here. If you think you might be posting in that way, please take a step back. We'd also ask posters to report any posts to us that they're concerned about, and refrain from calling people derailers/bots/trolls etc on the thread.

I think our visitors would do well to keep all of this in mind. Particularly the one who admitted they would keep visiting just to be goady. 🙄

Also, we're allowed to ignore you; it's not bullying!

You're in the minority and that's what frustrates you. It's the working class who are in control.

Just checked our council tax bill, we're Band E and pay over £2600. Which seems very affordable now compared to some others on here! Plus I can breathe a sigh of relief we're not in a higher band.

I've listened to several different podcasts which have discussed the shambles of UK property taxes, just seems like nobody can work out how to cut the Gordian knot without everything going to hell in a handcart. Incidentally I learned on one of those podcasts that Stamp Duty wasn't the precious golden goose that no chancellor dares to tackle, until Gordon Brown started cashing in on it, then exacerbated by George Osborne.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-daily-telegraph-your-money/20240504/281535116069459

@BeckyAMumsnet I respect that but why shouldnt people who have or earn more pay more? Me and my partner work with working class people we see what they go through.