Labour isn't working - Thread 19

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

We are bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Can we please take into consideration whether some posters are here in good faith before engaging?

So hang on, Reeves is going to be going after salary sacrifice now? I thought that was off the table. I literally can't keep up.

God it’s annoying. Constant derailment.

And yes, I should follow my own advice as well!

I suspect not even Reeves herseld can keep up with it.

This is what happen when you try to please a small but very vocal group instead of Delivering For The Country!

Me either. It seems to change daily. I blame the media for a lot of this, they say one thing yesterday and another today. Whether it's being driven by the ever useless No10 'comms' or they're making it up, or trying their best with what's being fed them, it's not a good look for the government and is giving all of us a nasty feeling of dread.
DS saying 'vote Labour and we'll all be miserable and broke together'

Yes pls

Thanks @LeakyRad. We are a broad church, contrary to popular belief.
We just have a rule of no bun fights, we disagree politely or keep scrolling.
It probably looks to others like we all agree on everything when we don't.

Spot on.

The issue is that Reeves either has to making 10's of billions of spending cuts, or 10's of billions of tax rises. However they try and dress that up, its just a fact. She hasn't made any noises towards spending cuts, so we know shes raising tax. Freezing thresholds is also a tax rise.

Some scathing reviews of the supposed good news on fiscal situation. Some saying they don’t believe the spin.

Times Radio economists / commentators etc

I don't see how we'll get anything amounting to a net expenditure cut when all benefits will increase with inflation, they are losing the two child cap and the number of welfare recipients is growing with both unemployment and sickness. I mean, how would that even work?

No doubt there will be tinkering to engineer a headline, but nothing useful.

Thanks OP and others!

I don't know why the scolders seem to struggle with the concept that just because we discuss the failings of this current Labour government, it doesn't mean that we therefore support [insert bogeyman party].

And it seems to me that the scolders mostly just post non sequiturs about [insert bogeyman] that don't fit in the conversational flow, and then complain about echo chambers, being silenced, etc when people call them out. So they can read people's posts when it suits them...

I’m wondering if they will U turn on lifting the 2 child benefit cap! Probably that would be a U turn too far though even for them. Mustn’t upset the backbenchers any more,

I'd prefer a freeze than a move to lower the HRT threshold. I'd prefer neither, really, but in a game of this or that, I'll take the threshold freeze!

This is what irritates me most. When I see certain names, I just don't bother reading the posts anymore.

I'm no more a Reform fan than I am a Labour fan. 🤷‍♀️

I remember all the posters selling in the last budget with it’s not working people. Selling in Labour’s lines.

Now people can see the impact of the NI policy, as people predicted.

As I see it, maybe I'm being too simplistic, if they lift the 2 child cap, any revenue increase will be swallowed up by this move alone. We wouldn't see any improvements in services or the cost of living. Yet again those in work (notice I never say workers) will be paying for other peoples lifestyle choices.

Yes, very true. I can't see any meaningful spending cuts in the pipeline, quite the opposite in fact.
Its just a case of where the tax rises will be, but Starmer and Reeves are obviously putting their own survival ahead of everything else.

We've got everything from previous Labour voters, right through to Reform members on here. We all just rub along.

The irony being that the long lead up and chopping and changing the kite flying means they're toast anyway!

Agree. My response to posters on another thread who can see no argument against lifting the cap is that the country simply can’t afford this largesse. Completely baffling why they are even contemplating it at this time.

And edited to say yes - a kick in the teeth to the ever diminishing “alarm clock” section of society who are propping everyone else up.

Yep. Labour are driving people away, people who voted for them previously are welcome.

We can all share how bad Labour is.

Morning all, I’m posting from a sports hall in Norfolk this morning as I watch DD go through a martial arts testing session.

I’m resigned to the fact I’m likely to become a HRT without any sniff of a pay rise. I’m a couple of £000 under the current threshold so given the speculation that they’re going to drop the figure that High Rate kicks in looks like I’ll be losing out.

Yep. The damage is done.