Labour isn't working - Thread 19

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

We are bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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The Nuthatch : Glad no one is hurt...

We're breezy here but not stormy. Was talking today about the night a roof tile blew off and went through DH car bonnet. He worried about the roof all night.

I blame the Tories.

@TheNuthatch oh no, that must've been a shock. Glad no one was hurt.

Does anyone remember what happened to Steve Hilton? He was an advisor in Cameron's day.

I feel as if there was some kind of problem, but I can't remember what it was. I might just be thinking that because I was working in a very left-wing workplace at the time and some people would've just told me he was awful without having a reason why.

Anyway, he's become an American citizen and is running for governor of California.

So no hope of him coming to help the Tories then!

It’s not working. The top stories on the Times app are “Reeves puts stealth taxes on pensioners and workers at heart of budget” and “Inside the government’s week of chaos”.

For balance - the top in the polls party are also prone to tax u-turns.

“Nigel Farage has said Reform UK could cut the minimum wage for young people, saying there is "an argument" that it is currently "too high".
Speaking at a news conference, he also said his manifesto promises at the last general election to bring in sweeping tax cuts were "only ever aspirations", and "substantial tax cuts" are "not realistic".”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15292639/This-family-seven-receive-month-welfare-two-child-cap-lifted-justifiable-drain-taxpayer.html

I’m sure there will be plenty of threads about this today. I commented on the “cap” thread saying I was torn. When the DCs were in primary school there were families who would have a child every few years - I don’t think the cap made any difference apart from placing more children in poverty. However, as I’ve said before about my life, benefits money didn’t make it to my skin or mouth. It’s too late to change the behaviour of the parents so we need to intervene with the children. I wouldn’t recommend my experience but surely there must be some middle ground because me showing “cultural capital” videos weekly in tutor time isn’t cutting it?

Oh ffs. So instead of an income tax raise, she's now back to tinkering with the fucking council tax bands again. Now including Band F.

For reference, here's a Band G mansion:

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/168855305

The last budget was hailed as a one off. There’s still a gaping hole in the finances however those figures have been massaged.

Reeves can’t stick to that pledge last year. For some bizarre reason people bought the initial black hole nonsense but lying twice will end any confidence she knows what she’s doing.

Add Starmer and Labour to that too.

Morning all, after a pretty tempestuous night all is calm this morning.

@TheNuthatch A bacon butty sounds like a fair exchange for replacing a tile. Keep the barter system going folks! Reeves can't tax it.

On another note all this better than expected messaging, as we follow the economic indicators none have been, each quarter it’s been around expectation or lower.

She’d try on that bacon butty no doubt. A crust if possible

I was just reading this.
Instead of stealing from those in work, why not just grow a pair and deal with the fecking welfare budget and give Streeting a free hand to reform the NHS. You can tell he wants to go further than he's been allowed.

Following on from @SpaceRaccoon last post, I thought this would put things into persective.
'Buckingham Palace, classified as band H in Westminster, pays £2,034 annually - less than a typical three-bedroom semi-detached house in Kendal, Cumbria. London property values have significantly outpaced other regions since the original assessments.'
How can this be just?

Rachel Reeves plots new property tax raid for middle-class homeowners as she scrambles to fill £40bn hole

I keep falling off the ends of the previous threads! And looks like I missed a lot of scolding!

Left-of-centre, not party political, socially liberal, pro-immigration, strongly pro-Remain, humans come in two immutable sexes, think Farage is a shit-stirring grifting con-artist, wouldn't vote Reform if you held a gun to my DC heads.

So I'm sure plenty to disagree with many of the thread regulars. But I'm here because (to quote the OP): "A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government."

I know the scolders won't read my post or they'll assure themselves that I'm a liar, but I'm only following this thread because I'm so disappointed and disillusioned with the current government. I genuinely had high hopes in 2024 that (despite disagreeing on some pretty fundamental aspects) the new Labour government would be the calm grown-up hand on the tiller that the country needed. And what we got was a year-and-a-half of infantile politics-of-envy plus endless self-inflicted lurching from crisis to crisis.

Listening to Times Radio economist saying not sure why the forecasts have changed. He hasn’t seen anything to justify a change.

@LeakyRad We're happy to have anyone who agrees that this Labour government isn't working. There are a number of contributers who, like you are to the left of the centre dial so you're not alone!
Recently, we've had some posters who have been far from friendly and as I have mentioned before are doing their best to either bore people off the thread or get it shut down with their incursions. I would suggest you ignore them.

@LeakyRadanyone who doesn’t like Labour atm is welcome

I’ve also read something this morning that there was suggestion and evidence that the black hole was much smaller…only a few weeks ago…before her doom laden speech.

It is to do with inflation being higher, so wages are higher and that means tax take is higher. Jeremy Hunt was explaining yesterday how that changes tax receipts over a few years. I read when I’m on lunch so don’t save links - sorry!

“One of the most extensive pieces of content analysis in recent years was conducted for the BBC Trust by Cardiff University. This research, amongst other things, examined the BBC’s coverage of immigration and the EU – two of the most divisive issues in British politics. What researchers found was that conservative perspectives were more prevalent in BBC reporting, and that while the balance between the two major political parties tended to be broadly equal, Conservative featured more regularly than Labour. This rightward leaning reporting has also been confirmed in analyses of guest appearances on programmes like BBC Question Time, and a forthcoming piece of research has confirmed that the right has a slight edge in terms of political guests on BBC programme, and interestingly that the BBC favours right-wing over left-wing Labour MPs, and the right of the Conservative Party over more moderate Tories – not quite the centre ground some have assumed that the BBC adopts.”

Fake news - how much fake science was Trump advocating during Covid times???

Can someone say why Starmer talks about the IDLR change as a racist policy but ending asylum is not?

Answers on a postcard

True, President Trump was advocating injecting disinfectant during Covid times back in April 2020 ten little sweet wrappers. I found an old article online and I just hope that nobody did.
If President Trump does win even a fraction of the money he wants from the BBC surely they will be bankrupt ? They can’t possibly be worth billions in the first place.

@the80sweregreat

That and falsifying business records to conceal payments to Stormy Daniels!

Free speech for me but not for thee.

The issue is that the extreme right cry left wing bias all the time - and try to silence left free speech. The left are more forgiving.