Huntingdon was a lone wolf attack

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Confirmed by police about half an hour ago that the 35 year old arrested has been released without charge.

Don’t you think that his choice of victim might show us some motivation?

The complete lack of mental health provision in this country.

there has to be strong evidence that they pose a continuing risk to get someone sectioned

not taking medication and they were violent in the past is often not always enough even for those with a history of violence and under forensic mh teams

It's not the people with mental health conditions who were asserting their rights to be walking the streets - in fact many would far prefer to be in a safe and secure place. Care in the community was purely a cost-saving policy, dressed up as de-institutionalisation.

It’s a shame they have to commit a heinous crime for that to happen as in this case and Valdo Calocane.

I quite agree. Nothing to do with Liberals though. Ronald Reagan emptied the mental hospitals way back in the USA. Thatcher and Major cut them to the bone in Britain. ' Care in the Community ' . Yeah right. I worked as a caretaker/ dogsbody on a council estate in the 9Os. But I was also an unpaid social worker for one of the tenants. He'd pop his head out the window and ask me what day it was. I'd buy him bread and milk etc. Good as gold normally but one day flipped out and dumped all the litter bins everywhere. Probably not taking his meds. I guess every estate has a man - or woman - like him who needs more supervision.

Is it really more cost effective to just pull the plug mental health services , always the Cinderella? Apart from the moral argument ; the danger to innocent people.

And how do you determine that exactly?

You think it’s that easy? Because it’s not.

Most people who suffer from schizophrenia are not a risk to others. Even being in active psychosis doesn’t make that person a risk. Nor is it a reason to section them.

This was how the Tories operate, for better or worse. From a cynical point of view it makes sense. You cut welfare and services to the bone - it's austerity folks, my ex local MP Chris Grayling was an exponent - and it hurts people, it kills people - but it probably won't be you, so all those others can be thrown under a bus.

So Grayling as justice minister cancelled legal aid; the postmasters couldn't get it to fight their legal battle against the Post Office - who started legal proceedings against them - and many were wrongly jailed or driven to suicide. But... that's not a problem, nobody cares about that, they're a minority - esp if they were racial minorities... And it was only the Alan Bates v the Post Office drama and the fact that it concentrated on the white working class middle aged victims, not the Asians, and the fact it went out on ITV not a streaming service and the fact it went out on the first week of Christmas when everyone was at home still and a captive audience bored with the same old Xmas fare, that it eventually became an issue.

An issue for which, so far, none of the perpetrators have so far been jailed or even been forced to downsize their living arrangements.

But... if legal aid had not been cancelled, or mental health services kept tip top, well none of this would have likely happened - but the public would have to have been taxed more. And the moment you do that, you give the public political solidarity - fatal to any Government. A collective moan against Labour.

But any time someone does this and they're an immigrant or person of colour, it's not 'hey this is Tory policy and it's underfunded' it's 'oh it's Labour immigration doing this - even though it all got ramped up under the Tories anyway.'

You said ‘The attack bore multiple hallmarks of tactics traditionally used by Islamist terrorists…’ and then said those hallmarks was that it was a stabbing and how he wielded the knife.

When I pointed out there were 22,000 knife attacks in the UK last year and asked why this one bore the hallmarks of Islamist terror, you went silent. When I asked you how he wielded the knife, you went silent. It’s clear you’re talking out of your bum.

What were your 3 clear hallmarks, pray tell?

And what about this case of a white man with MH issues stabbing a mum as she pushed her baby in a push chair? Does this attack bear the hallmarks of white terror?

www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/apr/22/ukcrime.davidpallister

I doubt there is any going back. The vast majority of mental hospitals were closed in the 1980s and the sites sold off for re-development. In 1970 there were over 100,000 in-patients in mental hospitals. Now there are fewer than 18,000 beds total. Many of those patients shouldn't have been there, but many still should.

Can you remember a few weeks ago when you called me racist for saying Muslim women are possibly the most vulnerable and marginalised people in our society?

You’re not a serious person.

they don't have to commit a heinous crime evidence has to be provided that they are a risk, require urgent treatment, need a secure setting. Its often not straight forward

There has certainly been far too many (one is too many) incidents where people have not been managed well enough (not through teams not trying) in the community and certainly questionable if some who have committed awful crimes should have even been living in the community

but people are sectioned and recalled to mh hospitals all the time, its just not as simple not taking their medication and they could become a unwell

We’ve all agreed with you that mental health conditions are increasing year on year and as a result mental health services are woefully inadequate.

Now back to the victims of this horrendous crime. My understanding is the must critically injured people was a member of staff who used heir body to protect others. Apparently the CCTV recordings show their actions to be absolutely heroic. The driver was also an ex-serviceman whose quick thinking enabled the train to be stopped at a station where police HQ was minutes away. Amazing acts of courage and foresight.

No. The large number of victims and the indiscriminate and public nature of the attack “has the hallmarks” of a terror attack.

As someone who has been on the receiving side of mental health care in this country it is woeful. It was woeful 10 years ago when I was using it and it’s even worse now. I was a young schoolgirl harming myself and suicidal and I got told that I should make sure the blades I was using were clean and that’s that, no actual support to stop. I told them I was suicidal and they said they didn’t believe me.

I hope there’s a donation we can give to so this man can retire and live like a king.
It makes me quite emotional to know there are people like him in the world.

The Racists are going to be even more furious now. The man has a 'British' name. They'll probably suggest he changed it....like are tommy ten names did?

I would assume in the vast majority of the 22,000 they were not rampages through trains stabbing as many members of the public as possible. The details we had yesterday bore more resemblance to events like the london bridge terror attacks.

I’d like to see the guard awarded a George Cross - the highest award available for civilian bravery. His courage is amazing, what an incredible man.

Agree

And hope to hear soon that he is recovering well and no longer in a life-threatening condition

I think your suggestion that a person with an British sounding name could not possibly be involved in a terror attack pretty racist in itself!

Set one up then

Except it didn’t happen. Quote it or stop lying.

Agree, someone I was at university with was killed on 7/7, of course my first thought was people being stabbed randomly on a moving train was a terrorist attack.

There is nothing racist at all about that!