What will Starmer do if Huntingdon...

[Whyandwhenandwho]

Stabbing turns out to be terror related or in a similar vein to incident to recent incidents that were related to immigration ? We don't know the identities yet of the perpetrators. But the fact the Home Secretary is brought in to comment in tabloids and the discussion on LK on BBC today makes me worried its a possibility. The poor people on the train - I cannot even imagine .. ..Starmer needs to tackle knife crime as its rife. What is the answer ? When is there a tipping point ? I don't know but something must be done - I've never paid as much attention other than feeling so terribly sorry for any victims and families. Now I'm starting to get angry when I see anything like this

We don’t know anything of the sort yet.

most of the eye witness accounts mention 1 man with a knife.
anyrhing could have happened - he could have got in the train like the loser he is with a knife ( and his friend ) got in to an altercation with someone and started slashing the knife around.
it’s horrific but we have no idea what happened yet.
j will say it was like he was slashing around than he was was outright stabbing everyone as at least 5 are already discharged was it the 2 most severely hurt who he had stupid anger towards and then the others were bystanders who got caught up.
who knows there’s lots of things that could have happened.

I have no problem with people celebrating and feeling proud of their nationality. I do have problems with people considering themselves superior to other people because of their nationality. I'm not better because I'm Dutch. I'm just another human being.

two of them planned this and the intent was to stab and kill many people who were trapped on that train.

I don’t know how you manage to extrapolate that from the fact that there have been two arrests.

Perhaps the only response you can give me is to call me a racist for asking why the current government is failing the indigenous/native/resident/born here population so very badly?

These two men were born in the U.K. so I don’t know why we are having this discussion other than a good number of people were convinced they were going to hear that they were actually immigrants from small boats.

Don’t come here with your facts.

People are waiting to hear their religion - carribean descend is more likely not to be Islamic - not saying it isn’t possible but about the same possibility have it was to white British men. There is some converts of course. They want them to be Muslim mind because then is fits their narrative better.

Yes, whatever the reason behind it, it does seem clear that this is a home-grown issue not anything caused by irregular immigration / small boats.

The same way so many people last night apparently knew that it was a pair of small boat migrants who did it. A fair few MN Mystic Megs seem to have been let down by their crystal balls.

Anything that can ‘prejudice’ the case would be applicable once court proceedings are active (arrest or charge in criminal cases), including social media. If you were on the jury panel and saw something on social media that swayed your judgement about character of arrested for example… sorry I’ve explained that in an awkwardly phrased way but hope you get the idea. Yes social media is covered.

The level of abuse I got last night for saying it may not be immigrants!!!

Poor OP (and others) hoping the stabbing thugs were immigrants. Thoughts and prayers 😔

What an odd thread. I don’t think Starmer will do anything. What is it you think he might do?

That thread last night was shocking. People were chomping at the bit for the attackers to be recently arrived migrants.

You can sense the disappointment

And I'm not sure YOU do.

💐I know, it made unpleasant reading to say the least. FWIW I thought you handled it well.

No I understand that social media content can count as prejudicial - but I’m unsure if social media platforms are on top of it enough to prevent the sort of speculation that traditional media is strict about preventing before a case.

I imagine Mumsnet is small enough with enough moderation to manage it but I think the big platforms like Twitter etc are beyond controlling now. So will the smaller platforms like this bother either?

So there's indigenous Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Ugandans, Nigerians etc but not British?

Well no I wouldn't, because I am talking about the UK. We don't have, for example, the equivalent of Native American people, Aboriginal Australians or Māori
people, do we? Our history is very, very different.

But if you can define what you mean by the indigenous people of the UK, please do so.

Oxford Languages dictionary definition

indigenous

originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native.
"coriander is indigenous to southern Europe"

(of people) inhabiting or existing in a land from the earliest times or from before the arrival of colonists.
"she wants the territorial government to speak with Indigenous people before implementing a programme".

This doesn't describing the British, including people who are white British. We're a mash up and it's no bad thing, at all. Anyone who thinks there is an "indigenous British" population needs to have a few history lessons.

As I said to pp please define what the indigenous population of the UK is? We are a very very mixed bunch going back thousands of years.

It was the amount of people who KNEW things for a fact. Stuff that at that point the police possibly didn't even have full knowledge of, but instead of saying "I think" or "It could be" no, some random on MN obviously had a hotline to the police because they knew. Except as it turned out they didn't!

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Whaaat? Shocked at that piece about Belfast you attached. It is depressing what ideas younger than us people have about times that we were present to witness. The trouble is, hardly anyone properly checks the actual historical facts before commenting - likewise, the idea that the 1950s/early 1960s were a halcyon time when everyone was able to buy flats or houses at the drop of a hat because they were so cheap compared with today (also, that we all had telephones, washing machines, cars, holidays etc) - never mind what people's real salaries were like . My parents could not afford anywhere to buy until they already had three children (youngest 6) and my dad was 39. We were more fortunate than many.