Labour isn't working - Thread 15

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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If any of that had been said or done by a Conservative MP, they would be crucified in the press and be toast. Apparently these things seem to be a badge of honour for this shower of shite.

Good morning 😁

Welcome to the thread @MrsMurphyIWish . If you have been reading our previous threads, you will have seen me moaning regularly about whats happening to my business in the construction sector. 1 in 6 insolvancies are in construction, second is hospitality and retail. The phones stopped ringing in January, and there has been no summer boom. We were thriving before the budget. I absolutely blame Labour, as does everyone else in my industry.

Love your overview @Upstartled, and your additions @upseedaisee.

Also agree with @EasternStandard that I don't think it would have changed the outcome if Sunak had waited another 6 months to call the election.

@TheNuthatch I have read maybe the last 3/4 threads so apologies if my contributions have been naive. I did not know that about your business, I’m sorry if my “I don’t feel worse off” comments have sounded offensive. I must admit I know nothing outside of my public sector bubble. Where I live businesses are still busy/trading but those businesses are fast food outlets, cheap pub chains etc. There are a lot of vape and barber shops - make of that what you will!

WTF?
This will be another hammer blow to my industry. I suppose the resolution foundation haven't mentioned how fecking hard it is to support yourself when self-employed? Any mention of the lack of employment protection, sick pay, holiday pay? No didn't think so.

Is resolution foundation saying self employment is less productive? That seems a reach that data wouldn’t back up?

where’s the whole ‘better tax treatment is a return to risk’ narrative?

No, I haven't found your comments offensive at all. We all live in bubbles to some degree I suppose. In a previous life, I was a TA, so I've experienced both sides. I don't want anyone to suffer from the economic incompetence of this gov. I certainly don't want to see further cuts to education.
I hope some of the posts you've had in response have given you some food for thought as to how the private sector being hammered will impact the public sector eventually.

They are clueless, and ignore the inherent risks in being self-employed.

Let’s all work for the state, shall we?

Labour would love that. Plus the digital ID.

Rivalled · Today 08:33
As Alistair Campbell was told by a HT - ‘free’ breakfasts are a poorly targeted anti poverty measure, that’s not an educational policy

What was Alastair Campbell’s reaction? He and his oh, the permanently furious Fiona Millar have v strong views against private education so I wonder what he thinks of criticism of state schools.

Ikr! This really boils my piss. IR35 was bad enough, but this! Fucking imbeciles.

I need more coffee 🙈

And as Laffer states in his interview - how the wealthy being hammered eventually makes the poor poorer too.

Why do people play the lottery?
To get rich

Quite

The Four Yorkshiremen. Always loved this… Sadly Reeves is not as funny, as intelligent, or as self aware as this group of comedians..

A giggle for Monday morning..

@38thparallel he agreed with the HT that it wasn’t an education policy and did say Labour need to do more.

it never made sense to me that private school vat was presented as something Labour ‘had’ to do for the 93 percent - the money raised from any tiny tax base is going to be…insignificant for that 93 percent and disproportionately painful for some of that tax base even if we leave aside the questions of it materialising.

all economists said that the time p school vat would raise trivial amounts. And that was their flagship education policy - other than breakfasts…

I recently left teaching to pursue another career, having retrained as a teacher 10 years ago. I initially did a couple of years supply in lots of schools -which is a sobering eye-opener. Schools are expected to cover shortfalls in parenting and there really are egregious examples of appalling parenting - kids with a succession of ‘stepdads’ encouraging them to stay up b all night b playing computer games etc and a complete lack of respect for education from families coming from two or more generations of benefits. The type of ‘families’ Labour court for votes.
Teaching is sadly not career I recommend unless in a private school, but those of course are struggling now with all the additional costs being levied on small businesses, as well as the spiteful and and illogical VAT grab.

Thank you for bringing my blood pressure back down. 😂😂
I needed that this morning. So funny, reminded me of the Labour Party conference 🤣.

Ideological posturing and spite of the worst kind.

There are some very bitter and twisted people within Labour.

Awful isn’t it to see this within the party and outside it.

This fiasco is another gift to Reform.

Senior government sources admit to me that not only was this saga incredibly embarrassing for government, but it also feeds a narrative that Britain isn't working and the state cannot fulfil basic functions.

And it is this impression of state incompetency and political failure that reflects so poorly on Starmer's premiership when he promised an end to Tory chaos and to bolster and improve public services… prison system included.

https://news.sky.com/story/migrant-sex-offender-release-a-colossal-reputational-repair-job-is-desperately-needed-after-kebatu-debacle-13458025

Thanks for linking.

Many of us feel that this government is incapable of governing - just the basics of daily life feel like they are deteriorating - crime, health, education, transport - and this despite Labour throwing billions at the public sector.

It’s an unmitigated disaster.

Yep. It feels rudderless with Starmer at the helm. He is no leader.
Never here Keir has left the country again I believe. Colour me surprised.

Lammy will face a grilling by MPs. Let's hope none of the questions are worthy of mastermind.

I was waiting for the Tories to fix that. Did Sunak talk about it in the manifesto? I mean the basics you listed.

I said in 2022 that I felt like no one was doing anything - I think I called it the "basics of dealing with broken bones and bins". It's like all the decent admin people left the building awhile ago. See also Sir Charles Kennedy and his comments when he resigned, which was long before the election. I felt every word of what he said.

It is chaotic. It feels like the wheels are falling off.

Maybe he mis-credited the public with enough intelligence to know that you jeopardise paying for any of it when you have a government willing to frogmarch the economy to the wall to feed its ideology.

I was just about to post something similar 😁👍

FFS Mervyn King yesterday on Sky suggested that RR get a bunch of competent groups together and spend a year * considering what to do about the economy. Change nothing for now, but crack on with developing a coherent plan that prioritises growth and investment and does not involve anything so counter-productive as useless 'wealth taxes' or ridiculous attacks on employers.

Seriously- how hard would it be to do just that? Just settle in, learn, grow and develop.

They squander every opportunity. They destroy everything they touch. How can they not SEE how fucking useless they are and how they are actively destroying this once great nation?

*I think it was a year. I had my head in my hands pretending the latest forecasts were not happening.