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Labour isn't working - Thread 13

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TheNuthatch · 14/10/2025 22:45

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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EasternStandard · 16/10/2025 13:59

twistyizzy · 16/10/2025 13:54

The further the popularity of Labour falls, the more aggressive and nasty they get. Wait until after the budget, they will be lashing out like caged animals.

Yep.

Those economic policies won’t work - they don’t work.

You are to blame! How dare you make that happen.

Who was it @upstartledwho said it should be the lottery we do, we have so much influence it’s a shoo in 😬

justasking111 · 16/10/2025 13:59

tell you what I think if labour take Wales Farage will do a trump. There'll be a team of independent auditors sweeping in everywhere, every dark corner to see where the money has gone been wasted. Farage has listened and learnt from Musk. There'll be teams of nerds paid to find the dirt. People will be sent home before they can shred or delete anything.

20 odd years ago our council employees were shredding through the night before the auditor's arrived.

Nolletimiere · 16/10/2025 14:10

Julen7 · 16/10/2025 13:48

Apparently this thread promotes fear, distress and anger (oh the irony)

You are joking, right?

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

Upstartled · 16/10/2025 14:10

I'm not sure Reform or Plaid will be very satisfied with the Senedd elections with the new pr system. It'll just be two cats scrapping in a bag for four years and nothing getting done.

twistyizzy · 16/10/2025 14:12

Upstartled · 16/10/2025 14:10

I'm not sure Reform or Plaid will be very satisfied with the Senedd elections with the new pr system. It'll just be two cats scrapping in a bag for four years and nothing getting done.

Agreed. They will end up destroying each other

Upstartled · 16/10/2025 14:16

Nolletimiere · 16/10/2025 14:10

You are joking, right?

Perhaps what they mean is that after lurking here that they personally feel fear, distress and anger? I suppose that is one of the risks of coming out of your bubble to realise that Labour is fucking up the country and people are, brace for it, talking about it.

Read at your own peril.

Nolletimiere · 16/10/2025 14:17

Upstartled · 16/10/2025 14:16

Perhaps what they mean is that after lurking here that they personally feel fear, distress and anger? I suppose that is one of the risks of coming out of your bubble to realise that Labour is fucking up the country and people are, brace for it, talking about it.

Read at your own peril.

Ah, got u.

Perhaps they can share some empathy with how
we all feel re Labour.

CaveMum · 16/10/2025 14:18

TheNuthatch · 16/10/2025 13:29

Agreed.
I heard George Osborne say that the tories think they can win on a poll ratings of low twenties, if votes are split across 5 parties.

(Happy to be corrected @CaveMum if I've misheard him, or it was a different podcast. I bow to your superior pod knowledge)

You're right in your recollection. I'll see if I can pull the transcript to share.

Rivalled · 16/10/2025 14:20

Yes I’d say that the thread is supportive and fun, unlike labour’s policies. But we must be bitter old harridans what would we know?

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 16/10/2025 14:20

twistyizzy · 16/10/2025 07:49

Yes "bleating" stood out. That's what they truly think though ie anyone criticising them is "bleating" hence why they ignore any criticism.
Arrogant, destructive twats the lot of them

Ah well just pushes more people to Reform.

Bleating?

Because she was so dignified, crying her heart out on the front bench.

Nolletimiere · 16/10/2025 14:21

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 16/10/2025 14:20

Bleating?

Because she was so dignified, crying her heart out on the front bench.

Yes because blubbing is more dignified…

EasternStandard · 16/10/2025 14:22

It’s a great thread. It’s made me laugh and good to talk about what’s going on without Labour getting all aggro.

twistyizzy · 16/10/2025 14:24

Agree and thanks to @TheNuthatch for setting it up and giving so many of us a breathing space away from Labour cultists who refuse to acknowledge the shit show

CaveMum · 16/10/2025 14:27

Here we go, the transcript from last week’s Political Currency episode talking about vote share. Excuse the grammar/spellings - it’s AI generated.

“I've got a rather surprising answer when I've asked that question, which is, well, we don't actually need that many people to win, which is the opposite of where I would be thinking at this point in the cycle.

The answer you get from the Tory High Command at the moment is, you don't actually need any more, like 35, 36, 37 percent, or let alone 41, 42 percent to win a general election.

They're currently polling less than 20 percent.

Right. They're currently polling 17 percent, and the Labour Party on 20 percent. So both parties right down.

But Margaret Thatcher used to get into the 40s, and Tony Blair did, and David Cameron got into the high 30s. But they're saying, well, if we are in a multi-party democracy now, if reform is here to stay and the Liberal Democrats are stronger, and maybe Corbyn's party and the Greens are going to be around, you don't need 40 percent or even 35 percent. And you know, Labour got the biggest majority, one of the biggest majorities in its history last year on 33 percent of vote, which was barely more than Jeremy Corbyn got when he was heavily beaten by Boris Johnson.

What they're saying is we can win on a high 20s share of the vote. We can be more targeted in our appeal. We can essentially be more right-wing, is what they tell me.

They say that is true to Kemi Badenoch's instincts, who's a more right-wing leader than the Tory party has had in recent years. Many of the leaders of recent years.

But doesn't that mean they write off all those Tory, Liberal, Democrat, marginal seats?

Well, I think that it has three bigger disadvantages, this approach. First of all, you are massively narrowing your options. You're not entirely sure if this strategy doesn't land, you haven't got anywhere else to go.

You're narrowing your options in a hung parliament of who you can deal with. If it is a multi-party system, then you want to be building alliances and building potential voter coalitions, because that is a feature of European democracy. And you fundamentally are displaying right at the beginning of things, a bit of a lack of ambition.

A multi-party system appears to have emerged in the last few years. There's no reason why you can't put it back in its box and aim at least to be the strong conservative party that hoovers up and marginalises the new forces that have emerged.”

From Political Currency: Has Kemi Badenoch saved herself?, 9 Oct 2025
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/political-currency/id1706536336?i=1000731011742&r=1067

Has Kemi Badenoch saved herself?

Has Kemi Badenoch saved herself?

Podcast Episode · Political Currency · 09/10/2025 · 1h 1m

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/has-kemi-badenoch-saved-herself/id1706536336?i=1000731011742

AbsentosaurusRex · 16/10/2025 14:30

Julen7 · 16/10/2025 13:48

Apparently this thread promotes fear, distress and anger (oh the irony)

Eh?

Upstartled · 16/10/2025 14:31

But how does that work with a first past the post system where there is a minimum number of seats to get an overall majority? Or are they saying that they are happy to share power in a coalition?

AbsentosaurusRex · 16/10/2025 14:35

Upstartled · 16/10/2025 14:16

Perhaps what they mean is that after lurking here that they personally feel fear, distress and anger? I suppose that is one of the risks of coming out of your bubble to realise that Labour is fucking up the country and people are, brace for it, talking about it.

Read at your own peril.

denial GIF

Oh I see. So they mean they’ve seen the truth rather than Labour gaslighting and lies. They’ll look away as quickly as they looked here.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 16/10/2025 14:35

MantleStatue · 16/10/2025 12:16

My parents live in Australia. My father used to be a committed Labor party supporter. But then he has changed completely due to their sheer incompetence and hard hard leftism. My aunt- in her 70s and ostensibly on paper exceptionally smart (PhD etc) just doubles down and parrots the Labor line. DDad says she is 'rusted on Labor'. Can't move her, no matter what they do or say.

She also occasionally calls me to tell me to tell my father how he ought to vote on various issues because she is making no headway with him. I ignore her. He is very reflective and willing to change his stance on issues. She is absolutely committed to whatever cause the Labor party says she should be committed to. No ability whatsoever to consider the evidence given to her by her own eyes and ears. Problem too is that she cannot debate respectfully. She shouts and harangues and periodically cuts ties with my father because he disagrees with her.

She also still owes my dad a bottle of wine. They had a bet after Trump left office last time and my father said he would get in again and she said no way. They bet a bottle on it.

That's my mother as well.

Oh the arguments about Corbyn that were had. She loves him.

AbsentosaurusRex · 16/10/2025 14:36

twistyizzy · 16/10/2025 14:24

Agree and thanks to @TheNuthatch for setting it up and giving so many of us a breathing space away from Labour cultists who refuse to acknowledge the shit show

Agree. I was thinking that earlier, again!

Nolletimiere · 16/10/2025 14:36

AbsentosaurusRex · 16/10/2025 14:35

Oh I see. So they mean they’ve seen the truth rather than Labour gaslighting and lies. They’ll look away as quickly as they looked here.

They don’t like it up ‘em as they say.

EasternStandard · 16/10/2025 14:38

AbsentosaurusRex · 16/10/2025 14:35

Oh I see. So they mean they’ve seen the truth rather than Labour gaslighting and lies. They’ll look away as quickly as they looked here.

Everything’s fine 😬

TheNuthatch · 16/10/2025 14:44

CaveMum · 16/10/2025 14:27

Here we go, the transcript from last week’s Political Currency episode talking about vote share. Excuse the grammar/spellings - it’s AI generated.

“I've got a rather surprising answer when I've asked that question, which is, well, we don't actually need that many people to win, which is the opposite of where I would be thinking at this point in the cycle.

The answer you get from the Tory High Command at the moment is, you don't actually need any more, like 35, 36, 37 percent, or let alone 41, 42 percent to win a general election.

They're currently polling less than 20 percent.

Right. They're currently polling 17 percent, and the Labour Party on 20 percent. So both parties right down.

But Margaret Thatcher used to get into the 40s, and Tony Blair did, and David Cameron got into the high 30s. But they're saying, well, if we are in a multi-party democracy now, if reform is here to stay and the Liberal Democrats are stronger, and maybe Corbyn's party and the Greens are going to be around, you don't need 40 percent or even 35 percent. And you know, Labour got the biggest majority, one of the biggest majorities in its history last year on 33 percent of vote, which was barely more than Jeremy Corbyn got when he was heavily beaten by Boris Johnson.

What they're saying is we can win on a high 20s share of the vote. We can be more targeted in our appeal. We can essentially be more right-wing, is what they tell me.

They say that is true to Kemi Badenoch's instincts, who's a more right-wing leader than the Tory party has had in recent years. Many of the leaders of recent years.

But doesn't that mean they write off all those Tory, Liberal, Democrat, marginal seats?

Well, I think that it has three bigger disadvantages, this approach. First of all, you are massively narrowing your options. You're not entirely sure if this strategy doesn't land, you haven't got anywhere else to go.

You're narrowing your options in a hung parliament of who you can deal with. If it is a multi-party system, then you want to be building alliances and building potential voter coalitions, because that is a feature of European democracy. And you fundamentally are displaying right at the beginning of things, a bit of a lack of ambition.

A multi-party system appears to have emerged in the last few years. There's no reason why you can't put it back in its box and aim at least to be the strong conservative party that hoovers up and marginalises the new forces that have emerged.”

From Political Currency: Has Kemi Badenoch saved herself?, 9 Oct 2025
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/political-currency/id1706536336?i=1000731011742&r=1067

Edited

Thank you, you're a star! I was only half listening as I kept being interrupted.

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TheNuthatch · 16/10/2025 14:46

AbsentosaurusRex · 16/10/2025 14:35

Oh I see. So they mean they’ve seen the truth rather than Labour gaslighting and lies. They’ll look away as quickly as they looked here.

😂😂👌

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TheNuthatch · 16/10/2025 14:49

Upstartled · 16/10/2025 14:31

But how does that work with a first past the post system where there is a minimum number of seats to get an overall majority? Or are they saying that they are happy to share power in a coalition?

Edited

Yeah I see what you mean. I suppose it depends on translation to seats. The only possible coalition for the tories next time will be Reform.
I like the idea of sticking to their core principles though, rather than trying to pander one way, then the other.

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TheNuthatch · 16/10/2025 14:51

EasternStandard · 16/10/2025 14:38

Everything’s fine 😬

That song! Everything is fine 🎶🎶

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