Thread 35 Starmer: Old and smelling of roses

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It is possible with organised supporter clubs like that I think. Blanket ban is much easier ofcourse. They could have limited the number of away tickets to a manageable bubble.

A friend went to Hajduk Split a few years back and they were kept away from the home fans the whole trip.

and we just had the 40th anniversary.

Let's face it, Jenrick doesn't know anything about anything.

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/linfield-hit-one-match-stadium-26316612

When I worked as a Saturday girl in the mid 70s, the town shut down when Linfield fans arrived for an away game. Missiles thrown in the street and it was not safe for anyone. I see they are still at it.

Intelligence and knowing stuff really isn't a priority in the Nazi canon. Much better are doing as you are told, and knowing your place.

We’ve had it here too with the Swansea v Cardiff derby leading to regular violent clashes. I think it’s still one of the few UK fixtures where away fans have to travel in designated transport.

Yes, it’s totally mad framing this as ‘must be antisemitism’ when banning away fans (or otherwise controlling them) is common. I’m guessing those frothing aren’t football fans or aware of the game at all - based on the fact that I couldn’t be less interested in it if I tried and I knew it wasn’t an unusual measure.

It quite simply is disingenuous to frame it as anti semitism . Tottenham stands are full every week of Jewish supporters. Nobody bans anyone on the basis of religious belief.

But Aston Villa fans didn't trash Amsterdam. There have been loads of cases where English club fans were banned from attending matches but the opposing sides fans could still go. I'm sure lots of Maccabi fans aren't hooligans, and some of them were victims of the violence in Amsterdam through no fault of their own. But it was really really bad in Amsterdam even by football hooligan standards, and the immediate reaction of politicians post the violence when no-one knew what had happened I think increased public upset. I know people in the Netherlands/Amsterdam and there was a lot of resentment about what happened. It further eroded trust in the media, trust in politicians and we don't need that right now.

But Aston Villa fans didn't trash Amsterdam.

"But they laid waste to Birmingham !!!!"

"No, it's always like that". 😂

I was regularly part of the policing for the Old Firm matches in the late 80s and early 90s. Occasionally at Celtic Park but more often at Ibrox.

I can assure JenPrick that there was nothing good natured about it. In fact, it got quite scary at times.

The man is a total arse.

Your keyboard mispelled "Nazi"

😊
But seriously, apart from anything Birmingham County Council aren't exactly swimming in cash right now so I think additional costs from cleaning up an unnecessary entirely predictable football riot would be unwelcome.

OK, you get the big special medal!

I know one of the Polish football clubs were made to close of part of their own stands following incidents of racist and anti-Semitic chanting. I'm glad they have a zero tolerance on this sort of thing.
There have also been cases where individuals were identified as doing racist chanting from camera footage and had their individual rights to travel to matches banned so it can be done
The issue with Maccabi is firstly that it wasn't a group of ultras in the stands. It seemed to be almost the whole group who were disruptive during the commemorative silence (I am sure it wasn't) and very large groups filmed outside the stands chanting racist slogans. I don't think you could identify all the people with camera footage because they are a compact group not people in seats as with the match itself so most had their faces hidden. And it wasn't just racist chanting. It was racist chanting and criminal damage and physical assaults.

Plus a lot of CCTV camera footage from outside the stadium went missing/wasn't available. (I think that is more to do with general crapness of CCTV cameras than nefariousness. But of course it sparked conspiracy theories). So much of the bad behaviour that happened out of the stadium wasn't recorded in a way that lets you identify the perpetrators. It was shaky phone footage in poorly lit areas. Plus, normally when you have individual away fans identified as behaving badly that's done through cooperation with the club or their home country. I don't think there was much interest in cooperating from the Maccabi side so the trouble makers largely went unpunished/unidentified.

It's not all the fans at fault. But it is the club at fault as well as individual fans IMO. In those cases it seems quite proportionate to ban them.

DT article
Reform’s first crack at power is already in crisis

The party’s performance in Kent shows it is nowhere near ready for government

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But the proposals have been lambasted by opposition councillors as unfeasible. Councillor Hook says the idea is “fantastical”, while Tory councillor Harry Rayner says it shows “naivety and incompetence”.

“Implementing a foreign freight tax is not and never has been within the power of Kent county council,” Rayner says, adding: “That is a power reserved for the Treasury and the Chancellor of the Exchequer.”

When asked about the criticisms, Kemkaran says: “They’re just jealous they never thought of it.”

Oh dear. It really is playground stuff. Has the Telegraph finally woken up to the fact that a Reform government would be utterly disastrous?

They did come up with 'Dolge' 😂

Dh and ds1 were at the Portsmouth Southampton game a few weeks ago. They had to meet coaches in designated car parks to be bussed into the ground, no food or drink allowed (not great for lactose intolerant dh who couldn't buy food in the ground).

I can understand why though. Dh and friends parked where the police told them to for a Birmingham game in the early 1990s. They paid extra as it was supposedly safer parking. They were attacked on their way back to the car after the match and were battered and bruised in the pub that night. Last time his team met a Birmingham team, they were hanging out together in the fan zone.

Nobody needs a return to football hooliganism.

The Telegraph ?

Looks like maybe Nigel is becoming toxic ...

It's nickname Torygraph is for a reason.

I watched the coaches go by and I loved the fact they did it.

Made a good safe day for everyone.

I remember the days I lived near fratton park and saints vs Pompey or even worse Millwall vs Pompey were horrendous days to even try and go out!

Daily Express correspondent has apologised, I have no way of verifying but seeing people saying he was an associate of Guido Fawkes, hardly the right background for a senior political correspondent even for a rag like the Express

Does he not know about Heysel and the deaths?

If he's lucky it will only be the rest of his life he's walking that back.

If he's unlucky, it will be his epitaph.