Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Thread 35 Starmer: Old and smelling of roses

993 replies

DuncinToffee · 14/10/2025 20:26

Pull up a chair for some friendly chit chat about politics, cats, dogs and much more

Taxes optional but greatly appreciated.

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5418471-thread-34-starmer-conference-swanwiches-and-a-deputy-leader-contest?page=40

OP posts:
Thread gallery
140
PandoraSocks · 17/10/2025 14:40

PickAChew · 17/10/2025 14:22

If only he could put the same dedication into cleaning up after himself.

Hopefully he will find his prison cell easier to manage.

placemats · 17/10/2025 14:55

DuncinToffee · 17/10/2025 13:53

I hope nobody cries two tier about these scumbags

https://news.sky.com/story/three-neo-nazis-who-plotted-terrorist-attacks-on-mosques-and-synagogues-jailed-13451058

Three UK neo-Nazis jailed for between eight and 11 years over terror plots

Group of ‘like-minded extremists’ styled themselves after the SS and amassed arsenal of more than 200 weapons

A machete and a tomahawk. More worrying is the police vest and handcuffs.

Childhood wallpaper screams of wasted dreams.

Shocking case.

placemats · 17/10/2025 15:00

Front hedge done today and next clip will be Spring before the nesting season.

Lawn being mowed tomorrow afternoon. Have made winter jobs list because I need to get my garden in order. Only on every other 3rd day.

Evenstar · 17/10/2025 15:07

Seeing that wallpaper brings it home that all these people are somebody’s child, someone cared enough to decorate his bedroom at some point and you wonder when and how it all went wrong 😔

BIWI · 17/10/2025 15:08

… and presumably his parents are still around. What must they think of the Nazi flag on the wall?

SerendipityJane · 17/10/2025 15:12

PandoraSocks · 17/10/2025 13:19

Yeah, that part isn't funny.

I have never understood why booze is served on planes. It is such a bad combination.

Why is the drug alcohol - which kills thousands a year - legal at all ?

Evenstar · 17/10/2025 15:13

Perhaps they weren’t allowed to go in his room and they may well have been afraid of him.

PandoraSocks · 17/10/2025 15:38

Evenstar · 17/10/2025 15:13

Perhaps they weren’t allowed to go in his room and they may well have been afraid of him.

Very possible.

itsgettingweird · 17/10/2025 15:47

PandoraSocks · 17/10/2025 12:53

Totally off-topic, but when I read this I thought of certain types of mumsnetters:

"When passengers tried to intervene, she shouted at them: ‘I will be going back to my big house and you will be going back to your council houses.’" 🤣

She drank 15 cans of wine!

https://metro.co.uk/2025/10/16/woman-downed-15-cans-wine-flight-saying-go-back-council-houses-24448534/

Eta: her poor husband. I hope he leaves her.

Edited

A great example of how money doesn’t buy class 🤣

LlynTegid · 17/10/2025 16:25

DuncinToffee · 17/10/2025 08:36

Boris Johnson has been called to give evidence at the UK Covid-19 Inquiry on Tuesday 21st Oct, from 10am

It's the first time the former PM has been called to give evidence at the Inquiry since 2023, for Module 2. The Inquiry has also called Prof Chris Whitty to give evidence on Monday from 10.30am

When do nominations for the Booker Prize close? As his testimony will no doubtless be a work of fiction.

It should of course be via video link from the prison cell he should be in, awaiting trial for the several offences such as corporate manslaughter he should be facing.

LlynTegid · 17/10/2025 16:27

PandoraSocks · 17/10/2025 13:19

Yeah, that part isn't funny.

I have never understood why booze is served on planes. It is such a bad combination.

It together with at airport lounges is probably a lot of income for airlines and airport operators.

dontcallmelen · 17/10/2025 16:54

Evenstar · 17/10/2025 15:07

Seeing that wallpaper brings it home that all these people are somebody’s child, someone cared enough to decorate his bedroom at some point and you wonder when and how it all went wrong 😔

This
does make me wonder how it all went so wrong, appalling behaviour & horrific views apart from being horrified by what was uncovered it feels at the moment as though a lot of people hate, being aided & abetted by the venom on social media the casual day to day racism & the emboldening of nasty undertones permeating into day to day life, it’s so utterly depressing really hope the good people of Wales tell Reform to fuck off.
Doubt very much if that charlatan Boris will say anything that remotely resembles any truths which again is depressing.

SerendipityJane · 17/10/2025 16:58

dontcallmelen · 17/10/2025 16:54

This
does make me wonder how it all went so wrong, appalling behaviour & horrific views apart from being horrified by what was uncovered it feels at the moment as though a lot of people hate, being aided & abetted by the venom on social media the casual day to day racism & the emboldening of nasty undertones permeating into day to day life, it’s so utterly depressing really hope the good people of Wales tell Reform to fuck off.
Doubt very much if that charlatan Boris will say anything that remotely resembles any truths which again is depressing.

A lo of people - probably with low social skills - have assumed that it's OK to spout hate because "everyone else is doing it".

These are the 50% who let others do their thinking.

I will quote it again - it should have gone to #1

He goes out at night with his big boots on
None of his friends know right from wrong
They kick a boy to death 'cause he don't belong
You've got to humanize yourself

SerendipityJane · 17/10/2025 17:05

PandoraSocks · 17/10/2025 16:58

Rachel Reeves is considering scrapping tax breaks for disability benefit claimants to raise £1.2bn a year, The Telegraph understands.
Around 800,000 claimants who qualify for a brand new car under the taxpayer-subsidised Motability scheme are currently exempt from VAT and insurance premium tax (IPT).
But the reliefs are set to be axed as the Government scrambles to fill a black hole in the public finances of as much as £50bn.
A senior Labour source told The Telegraph “lots of things” were being looked at ahead of the Budget on Nov 26.
The Motability scheme allows certain welfare recipients to trade their benefits for a new car. They must pay upfront for any cost that exceeds the value of their benefits.
Removing the tax breaks would mean more claimants would need to make an advance payment for their cars, which would boost tax receipts by an estimated £1.2bn. The scheme currently costs taxpayers £2.8bn a year.
The charity responsible for the scheme, the Motability Foundation, said that the average lease price would increase by £6,500 if VAT was passed on in its entirety.
More than 800,000 claimants have a Motability car and the number eligible for the scheme has risen by more than half a million since 2019.
Those who are eligible for the enhanced rates of personal independence payment (PIP) or the disability living allowance (DLA), alongside other benefits, can exchange all or part of their benefit for a brand new car. The benefit is then paid directly to Motability.
The scheme covers car insurance, breakdown cover and servicing, as well as vehicle excise duty (VED) from the monthly payments.
Cars worth up to £35,000 can be paid for solely from the eligible benefit. For cars worth more than the threshold, claimants are required to make an advance payment.
The Chancellor is said to also be considering removing some cars from the scheme. There are approximately 900 models available, some which retail for more than £50,000.

BMWs, Mercedes, and other luxury cars – currently provided to more than 40,000 claimants – could be removed, The Times reported.
For a £7,999 advance payment and their entire weekly PIP allowance, claimants can lease a £52,870 BMW i4 electric car. A Mercedes-Benz GLA can be leased for three years with an advance payment of £3,999.
In 2024, 170,000 new drivers signed up for Motability, with 220,000 renewing their leases.
Because Motability only provides new cars, this means 390,000 cars were bought and provided by the scheme.
Motability scheme users are also exempt from IPT, a tax paid by customers when they take out insurance policies. Drivers with a Motability car have their insurance covered by the scheme, but would otherwise pay a 12pc charge.
Kemi Badenoch, the leader of the Conservative Party, has previously pledged to restrict Motability to those with serious disabilities, adding: “Those cars are not for people with ADHD.”
Elliot Keck, of the TaxPayers’ Alliance campaign group, said: “It’s right that the Government is reviewing tax exemptions on Motability vehicles. Support for those who genuinely need help to stay mobile must remain but it’s clear that this scheme has drifted beyond its original purpose.
“There’s a big difference between helping disabled people get around and giving tax breaks for expensive cars and add-ons to those gaming the system.”
The Treasury declined to comment, with a spokesman saying: “We do not comment on Budget speculation.”
A spokesman from the Motability Foundation said: “The Motability Scheme provides a vital service to disabled people, helping them to overcome significant mobility barriers.”

Access Restricted

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/11/car-giant-cashing-in-on-britains-disability-benefits-boom/

Karistyleaftea · 17/10/2025 17:30

I read that Motability is owned by 4 High street banks Barclays , LLoyds , Nat West and HSBC and alleged revenue this year is in the region of 7 Billion.
I think they should be looking at this firstly.

PandoraSocks · 17/10/2025 17:31

Cheers Jane x

DuncinToffee · 17/10/2025 19:16

The Prince formerly known as the Duke of York has relinquished his titles, but will continue to be known as Prince Andrew. Hmm

OP posts:
Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 17/10/2025 19:27

DuncinToffee · 17/10/2025 19:16

The Prince formerly known as the Duke of York has relinquished his titles, but will continue to be known as Prince Andrew. Hmm

He's no longer invited home for Christmas dinner either.
Poor thing...

cardibach · 17/10/2025 19:30

SerendipityJane · 17/10/2025 15:12

Why is the drug alcohol - which kills thousands a year - legal at all ?

Because most people can use it responsibly (which is the same reason it’s served on planes) and because it’s too easy to make to ban completely.

cardibach · 17/10/2025 19:33

LlynTegid · 17/10/2025 16:27

It together with at airport lounges is probably a lot of income for airlines and airport operators.

Indeed. Keeps flightt prices down. I travel a lot and I e never seen anyone worse for wear to the point it impacts on anyone else. Mostly it’s totally fine.

placemats · 17/10/2025 19:51

There's some posters on sublimely rascist threads who don't know who Richard Tice is.
Do better.

DuncinToffee · 17/10/2025 20:09

placemats · 17/10/2025 19:51

There's some posters on sublimely rascist threads who don't know who Richard Tice is.
Do better.

Edited

That doesn't bode well for Reform

But yes, the faux naivity is wearing.

OP posts:
SerendipityJane · 17/10/2025 21:05

cardibach · 17/10/2025 19:30

Because most people can use it responsibly (which is the same reason it’s served on planes) and because it’s too easy to make to ban completely.

So thousands of deaths a year are responsible use ?