Poor teen jailed in Dubai has died

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I’ve just seen this. How utterly heartbreaking for his parents.
it makes me even more angry about the vindictive mother that reported him.
Just so so sad.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-car-chase-crash-teenager-dead-tottenham-london-b1251170.html

@WolfingtonBear what is risky about a holiday romance with consensual sex if you are a young person? The mother knew her daughter liked and had consensual sex with this young man because she read their texts. She made sure she was well out of the country before she reported him, protecting her daughter but incriminating him. It was a vindictive act. Why did she do it? It would have gone under the radar. This young man ended up in a tough Dubai prison. What did that do to his mental health? He would have been quite vulnerable. Yes, she has blood on her hands.

The risky situation was that he liked a girl staying in the same luxury hotel and she liked him back. The real risk was being a young black man not even allowed to do something normal like have a holiday romance.

According to all reports the mother only found out about it when they had already returned to the UK. It’s pretty irrelevant that it’s not a crime in the UK.

She wanted UK law for her child, but UAE law for the boy. Hypocrisy & double standards in every way.

Reading this, I now understand what people are saying about the mother. She was vindictive at best - she wanted the boy to be punished but not her daughter. Whatever her intention for being completely cruel to this teen, what she did was utterly unfair and mean-spirited. I wonder how her relationship with her daughter would be from now if she truly liked the boy.

She didn't cause his death of course but it's the ripple effect due to the vindictiveness, hypocrisy and double standards of her action that's caused people to judge her harshly, as she did to Marcus (but even worse since her harsh judgement caused him to be sent him to prison).

That makes no sense. The mother acted on discovering messages between the two and reporter what is a crime in UAE that was committed overseas. He was convicted in the UAE. As someone so aptly wrote, when in Rome…..

So her under-age daughter who was technically raped by an adult in Law should be accountable and punished for having sex? I cannot believe the vitriol directed to a Mother who no doubt wanted no association between the bloke and her daughter. The truth will out why he was a passenger in an expensive car fleeing police, but leave the mother out of it

I doubt that she'd have reported her daughter though for committing the same crime or any other crime. I'd bet that it wasn't "crime" she was reporting, it was the boy. For whatever reason - whether because of his race or simply because of his sex as a boy who had sex with her "innocent" daughter, or both. We'll never know.

This wouldn’t have been treated as rape in the UAE. Had the mother reported the matter whilst her DD was still in Dubai both parties would have ended up in jail.

she is a spiteful, vindictive woman who deserves to be despised by her daughter

I agree that the mother has no responsibility for this car accident, but I still think she is a fucking bitch and nothing will convince me otherwise.

If your 17 year old DD was in a consensual relationship with an 18 year old would you report him to the police knowing he would go to prison?

it’s an absolutely despicable thing to do

I don't see any vitriol in my post, do you?

You can put it as harshly as you want to make it sound horrible but it's this same mumsnet that people are talking about how teenage boys and girls have sex and it's normal and expected, even encouraged to do so in their home rather than somewhere on a park bench. So spare me the faux outrage and hyperbole of "technically raped by an adult in Law"!

Not wanting your daughter with a certain boy for whatever reason is fine. Reporting him to face Dubai prison when you know he didn't rape your daughter and you know you wouldn't report your own son or daughter for that is a problem.

Law was changed very recently, extramarital sex has been largely decriminalized. Here, it was considered statutory rape because she was (barely) under 18. So her daughter was never in danger of imprisonment and iirc her mother only discovered the affair after they came home.

Basically she used local laws to punish the boy, because she was angry with her daughter for having premarital sex, most probably some racism over this as well ( but she may well have done this to a fellow Sikh)

that is not true.

Had the daughter been in Dubai there absolutely would have been a significant risk of her being detained as a party to a consensual sexual relationship despite the “statutory rape” element.

There was no vitriol no. I am not saying those two having sex was not wrong or not normal. The “offence” was committed in UAE and there are Laws in UAE that must be abided by. If it had happened in a luxury hotel in London that the parents in low-paid jobs had been able to afford, no offence committed. Go to a Muslim country and do the same then the another was entirely within her rights to report it.

Was he with his family in Dubai? Did they know he was seeing this girl? Seems harsh what the mother did…

this literally changed in the last couple of years. Consensual premarital sex has been decriminalized

I’ve just looked up the latest UAE regulations on this, according to gov.uk:

"Sexual relationships outside marriage
Consensual sexual relationships between a man and woman outside marriage are generally legal if both are aged 18 or over. This includes extra-marital sexual relationships. However, if either person’s spouse or parent/guardian files a criminal complaint, both parties of an extra-marital consensual relationship can get a prison sentence of 6 months or longer.

If a person aged 18 or over has a sexual relationship with a person aged 17 or under, they will be prosecuted for having a sexual relationship with a minor. If both people are aged 17 or under, they will both be prosecuted but punishment is likely to be limited to a caution, parental supervision, judicial supervision, professional training or psychiatric treatment."

So it seems likely that in this case, which I think took place after the new laws were introduced, the underage girl involved would not have been prosecuted if it had been reported whilst she was still in Dubai.

I hadn’t realised how much things had changed in Dubai since I lived there, it’s quite a surprise.

Are there no limits to the "when in Rome" argument? If in a country where punishment for theft was hand amputation would we all shrug over it happening? Stoned to death for adultery?

It's perfectly reasonable to judge punishments in other countries by our own standards. The punishment Marcus faced was out of all proportion to his actions and yes, the mother's actions were abhorrent.

I do wish less people would consider places like Dubai as a sensible holiday spot but they do.

It was a high powered car he was in and the driver didn’t stop…

There are suggestions on social media he was in a Tottenham gang and he knew who he was mixing with…

Sad chain of events when he’d just got out of jail.

Of course there are. That doesn't matter though since his death isn't gang-related.

It's quite odd the "information" people bring up when certain people die especially when it has nothing to do with it anyway.

If in any Sarah Everard's threads, anyone mentioned that she was a prostitute or drug dealer and was returning from work when that monster killed her, I can imagine the pile on and insults they'd receive. Again, Marcus's death threads deserve the same respect.

IF he was mixing with a bad crowd it ultimately put him in harms way….a high powered vehicle, late night police stop, driver with no insurance etc then evading stopping leading to a chase has led to this tragedy…

Well he had no driving licence or insurance so I’d imagine those were strong factors in not pulling over.

"Are there no limits to the "when in Rome" argument? If in a country where punishment for theft was hand amputation would we all shrug over it happening? Stoned to death for adultery?"

Well there are plenty of people in the UK who talk about sovereignty / having their country back and were willing to impoverish us all to make our own rules/ laws.

By the same token people in other countries will similarly make their own laws without interference from us. Other countries can lobby for changes, use aid as influence etc but ultimately if you choose to visit a country you are making yourself subject to their laws and justice system whether you agree with them or not

Suggestions on social media you say? Gosh.

More than suggestions, there are actually pictures now you’ve asked.

Over 400 people laughing at the death of a 19 year old. Its disgusting.
Facebook/ The daily express should ban every one of those trolls.