Chance of a general election next year and Reform winning?

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They are winning in the polls it seems. I've been watching Nigel Farage's Instagram, he really just talks common sense. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he says.
I'm definitely not far right and I'm not a leftie,
I think I'm somewhere in the middle.
But I am sick of Conservative and Labour and think it's time to give a new party a chance, especially if they are going to properly tackle illegal immigrants coming over and the ones that are already here.
I don't necessarily agree with his call to deport those with Indefinite leave to remain however.

To be honest I found it hard to get excited about people eating swans when there are multiple fried chicken shops on every highstreet.

How offensive you can't call be that disagree with you that.

Try again as you're not making any sense.

It's not hard to decipher a minor typo

Presumably she meant to type:
How offensive! You can't call all that disagree with you that.

eta punctuation, since you may need that extra aid to comprehension.

I agree and it’s unlikely, but it can be in MP’s self interest to get out of millions of angry people’s way.

Exactly using mental health slurs like that to put down posters is not appropriate.

Well, yes. The first question that came to my mind was 'how on earth did they catch one of the feckers?' They really are scary when they come at you!

I'm sure they are delicious, having been eaten at Royal feasts historically. But killing and eating them is illegal.

Whilst I don't expect them to have known that the swan may have belonged to the monarch - and they might not have known that swans are protected in the UK - but it's pretty damn obvious that it must belong to someone, and that taking and eating it is theft.

So my second question is 'What other laws are they taking liberties with?'

They are winning in the polls it seems

what are they winning? presently they aren't winning anything as we are 4 years from a GE

NF is a populist and his whole strategy is based on you agreeing with what he says - he did it for Brexit, he is following the same pattern as trump

farage stops critical journalists, they ban them from their party conferences and stop giving them any invites to press releases, trump did the same. The if anyone says anything critical of them or their polices - they say, oh you're deranged. Then they start on fear, so say outrageous things - like the immigrants are eating cats and dogs or the immigrants are eating swans - next will be doubt over elections and how they could be rigged, postal votes are corrupt. All there supporter start telling the same tales, they then undermined science, get in a doctor to say covid jabs might cause cancer or paracetamol will cause autism

Its the same script in both US and UK

go and check it out, its the identical pattern and rhetoric

To be clear not advocating eating swans but ultimately they are just long necked chickens in white wetsuits.

Wow - you're really doubling down on the name calling there.

And you and the OP should educate yourselves before voting.

There's also zero evidence of large scale swan noshing by immigrants. Farage is just whipping up division by suggesting otherwise.

True. Although I imagine they might have a gamier flavour, a bit like goose. Unfortunately, I doubt I will ever have the opportunity to find out.

Kiling and eating a chicken which belongs to someone else would also be theft.

Swans are also a protected species in the UK - which chickens obviously are not - so that's an extra law broken.

The pro Labour arguments just keep getting stranger.

Whilst it's obviously better for voters to be well-informed about the policies of the different parties:

1.The OP is hardly the only voter (and Reform not the only party) where their vote is based on a general impression of a party being 'on their side'. Many, many voters vote Labour tribally, knowing only the general gist of "Make the Rich pay" and having a misplaced sense that Labour is 'on their side'. (The problem for Labour is that people are realising that they're not)

2.Arguably, the most important purpose of voting in democracy is to limit the power of the executive, and focus them on the concerns of the population. For that purpose, it's enough for voters to be engaged and vote for a representative who takes on board their priorities and agrees to represent those in Parliament. MPs aren't magic - and parties aren't special and all-powerful. Parliament is just a way to get concensus on laws which the whole country will consent to.

Sorry what has chickens in wetsuits got to do with Labour voting?

people are realising that they're not

And how is that? And how is Reform "on their side" - whose side? How? This is the fundamental problem, people swallowing any old crap spewed by Murdoch's media empire, with no vested interests of course.

There's a great deal to be gained from keeping people ignorant.

Exactly, it’s getting pretty weird.

What on earth are you talking about? The Mudroch papers backed Labour?

I'm a Conservative voter. I think they're on my side because they want to make the economy work well. They act to encourage business, which I see as wealth-building. And they recognise that allowing people to keep as much as possible of the economic value they personally create motivates people to be productive, which also grows the economy. I see this as being on my side, since it means I will have a better standard of living. I'm comfortable that they offer sufficient state support for people who need help and also for state-run services. I don't want any more of my taxes spent on either of those things.

You'd have to ask Reform supporters why they think Reform is on their side. I have my own ideas, but it's all very much in the public domain so I'd rather let you think it through yourself instead of giving you a strawman to bash against. I doubt you are able to open your mind enough to do that, though. Never mind.

No opinion on tribal Labour voters, who don't know much about Labour's policies? I guess they're not terrifying to you because they just echo in your echo chamber.

I think is because Starmer is just making it harder and harder for his base to justify his actions. Every week they have support someone who then gets sacked shortly after. Now they are having to try to justify how banning Family Reunion for asluym seekers is in any a Labour type policy. Their great Human Rights lawyer is stretching the boundaries of the ECHR to the absolute limit.

Yes how on earth do Labour MPs clap at enemy speech one day and swallow asylum headlines the next. They can’t be as craven as Starmer surely. Some of them must think this isn’t what I wanted Labour to be.

Will any speak up I wonder

There's clearly little to be gained from continuing this conversation.

I wish you a nice rest of the week.