Labour isn't working - Thread 9

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Oh, I don't want to think about it. That's just sat me on my arse 2034 😮‍💨

I think the tories do stand a chance at the next election. They need a new leader soon though. Sorry Kemi. The polling should be much better considering how poor Labour have been. Kemi just isn't cutting through and I don't think she's electable.
Labour have clearly failed economically, and Reform's figures don't make much sense so far. That's where their focus needs to be. I think after conference, they will move towards ousting Kemi. She can't survive 16% in opposition.

Interesting about Cleverley.
I assume Jenrick will defect to Reform.
I do rate him and I think this will enhance their votability.

Reform would love Jennrick. If he doesn't get the Tory leader job I think he will defect

I can see Jenrick joining Cons up with Reform as a minority if they need it.

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i hate these muted colours too

His figures as always were crap and we all dissected this a year ago.
There’s nothing to be made but it’s easier to see if extra teachers are employed so open to factual criticism when it doesn’t happen. Hiding within the huge melting pot of funding housing is easy

A personal snapshot of how much and how fast the economy has shrunk in the past 12 months: We went to the Southampton Boat Show today and (from our perspective at least) it was dismal - much smaller with far fewer exhibitors than in previous years. Usually we would make a day of it, stopping for lunch, with DH spending a small fortune on "essentials" and gadgetry for our boat. Today we'd seen everything on offer by early afternoon and decided to call it a day without buying anything.

The marine industry appears to be yet another of Labour's many economic casualties.

I’m sure people on this thread will have differing views on the Assisted Dying Bill but for me, today is good news.

https://humanists.uk/2025/09/19/assisted-dying-bill-passes-next-hurdle-after-record-breaking-debate-in-the-lords/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c991j87pz24o.amp

Some work for the north of the uk, especially, at least. Older article.

I am so torn on this one. I have a mum with Parkinsons and she really wants the bill to pass but I severe worries about it from an "I don't trust our elected officials" stance. I am worried about vulnerable old people + coercion etc

Even worse, went to the market today for a few things, shrinkflation has finally hit hard and hit home... where there were once 6 pikelets for £1.80 there are now only 4! FOUR!!
Seriously though, I'm wondering how much more the economy in general can cope before we see a catastrophe.
I used to do some on-off work for Sunseeker and Perkins. Had to try to work out how to remove baked on fire extinguisher dry powder fom the cylinder head of perkins wolf marine engine.

Yes that is good news. Shame it's pretty much the only good news

That's exactly my feeling also.

It's like during covid when disabled and vulnerable people had DNR put on their medical records without consent from them or their families. My Ds1 has learning difficulties and that scared me so deeply.

But I feel people should be able to have the right to make dignified and informed choices about their lives, and the ending of their lives.

So i am totally conflicted.

Such a shame. So much is being affected. I hope you enjoyed your half a day anyway. At least your dh was restricted on what he could spend on 😉.

I'm very much against assisted dying. We should be focusing on improving outcomes for people with disabilities and end of life care imo.
Another one for the agree-to-disagree pile.

I feel the same. This is exactly one of those well intentioned laws that further on down the line, another government, in another time could abuse.
And I wholly agree NH treatment of the dying needs improving to ease their pain and help them pass with a semblance of dignity and on their terms. If we did this, we wouldn't need an assisted dying bill.

Yeah, I watched some of that debate during lunch. I'm completely against the assisted dying bill for a myriad of reasons. I was all for it in theory until we saw the Canadian cautionary tale play out in all its technicolour horror.

If there one thing to be learned about the #bekind gender recognition act of 2004 when legislation was put through that could never practically be repealed alongside false assurance that it would only be x amount of people, with very extreme symptoms and a lot of medical oversight to see it becomes the avalanche of nonsense that has come to erode women's rights ...is that you cannot trust people who make an argument on how they hope it will land, it needs to be made on where it could land.

I’m conflicted on it - I’m totally against it but, if I was facing terminal illness, I’d want the choice. The evidence from Canada is clear both that people get pushed into it, and there is scope creep, but that people like to have the right. But as all of the disability charities were against, if i could have voted I’d have voted with them.

Ooh I’m almost an outlier then, because I’m 💯 for it as long as it’s got the required restrictions and permissions attached.

From my perspective it’s about quality of life (more accurately how a person feels about their own quality of life), and it’s about personal choice.

Interestingly a friend of mine (Canadian) lives here but his parents lived in Canada. They died within 2 years of each other. His dad didn’t take the MAID option and died a long painful death, months. But he chose to do that, knowing how it would go. Following that experience his mum chose the MAID option (she was very ill). None of it was nice obviously but they both were able to chose how they wanted to end their life.

Yeah, for people who aren't economically, socially or emotionally vulnerable, then the question of euthanasia or a painful death is an easy question of preference. I'm not worried about those people - I don't think that's the ethical question up for debate.

I realise my position would mean that I and those I love might be subjected to a painful death to protect the most vulnerable. Still, it is just the only safe choice for society as a whole, imo.

Although, fwiw, my dm completely disagrees with me so I have good practice of disagreeing amicably on this one 😁

I agree with you.

I think it's long overdue. For me it's about choice and dignity.

Yes me too.

The elderly will be expected to do everyone a favour and end things quickly.

It will go through thats obvious . The nhs havent got the money and don’t want to spend it on pensioners as evidenced by the way they are discriminated on already. I’d like to see at least some talk of improving palliative or any type of care for the elderly and dying.
Unfortunately MN interview with Wes Streeting didn’t ask about this area

Agree. It’s very worrying but I think we’re in the minority