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Fuck OFF Elon Musk

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noblegiraffe · 13/09/2025 19:35

Elon Musk appeared via video link today at Tommy Robinson's Racist March wittering on about woke mind viruses and calling for the dissolution of parliament.

All I really want to say is FUCK OFF ELON MUSK.

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nomas · 15/09/2025 18:55

Lemonandorangecheescake · 15/09/2025 18:51

So Ant Middleton and Tommy Robinson have a few skeletons in their cupboards (And I'd bet many of the anti protester 'do gooders' do too)

They're not pretending to be angels, and people don't have to like them, but with regards to them headlining the march, people share their views about this Country and what's happening to it.
Some people also don't like Katie Hopkins, but share her views and agree with everything she said in her speech.

You don't have to like and respect every aspect of a person in order to feel unity with them against causes you believe in.

Actually, Ant Middleton’s racist tweet is from July 2025.

And Stephen Yuckly Lennon made racist claims against two black men in a park being paedophiles a few weeks ago.

So they are very much still racist knobheads, it’s not skeletons in their closets.

nomas · 15/09/2025 18:56

Teresa66 · 15/09/2025 18:52

Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain to me which media outlet is making you think that we DON'T provide them with everything that I've quoted.

Take a look on GOV.UK if you want to see everything that migrants are entitled to

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Why don’t you post a link?

Nagginthenag · 15/09/2025 18:58

Teresa66 · 15/09/2025 18:48

The rally was about citizens making a point and there were many Christians and other faiths there. As I have said there were also people of all races and creeds who wanted to stand and be counted as supporting Britain. And, as I have already said again, most of the people I spoke to do not fully support TR but they do want a fairer and more just country again, where everyone counts and where our culture and our heritage is celebrated.
How do we already have free speech? if our courts will imprison a mother for a tweet that she wrote in the heat of the moment, if they will convict someone for burning a Koran, where our Police will pay you a visit for a 'non crime hate incident' rather than dealing with real crimes, where street preachers are told by the police to stop, where a women silently bowing her head in prayer near an abortion clinic is arrested. We used to have free speech but we are heading to the point where what we think or say will be policed. 'What would Orwell think?'

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But just to pick up a couple of your points - the 'mother' being imprisoned for a tweet wasn't just posting in the heat of the moment - she had history of posting inflammatory social media. She was encouraging people already ready to commit acts of violence to burn down a migrant hostel with people inside it:

'Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it.”

Why does her being a mother make that OK?

The women standing outside abortion clinics in silent prayer are usually surrounded by mocked up photos of screaming foetuses. Causing women entering clinics further anguish on what may be already an incredibly day for them. If the praying women are really praying for the women entering the clinics, they could pray from home couldn't they, rather than from their intimidatory kerbside stands.

MsJinks · 15/09/2025 19:03

Teresa66 · 15/09/2025 18:29

Why would that be?
There were literally thousands upon thousands there on Saturday (many more than MSM is quoting). Most were not supporting TR specifically, just trying to get the voice of ordinary British citizens heard. There were people from all walks of life; young, old, disabled, all races and creeds, religious or atheist. All of us were there to raise our heads above the parapet - to make it something the establishment could not ignore: the voices of so many people making a stand in the only way they can.
Successive governments aren't listening and ordinary Brits are taking the brunt of tax increases, price hikes, being made to pay extra for ridiculous net zero projects, farmers and fishermen being robbed of their livelihoods, people waiting too long for NHS services etc. Our country, and everyone of us, is getting poorer whilst Westminster tells us that we must roll out the red carpet for migrants.

No matter that the country is in so much debt that it'll take generations to pay off, let's just spend billions every year on supporting all of these people from across the world that choose to come here. Regardless of whether they have actually crossed other safe countries to get here. Regardless of whether they are actually just economic migrants and left a safe country because they thought that London's roads were paved with gold. Their 'human rights' trump those of us Brits apparently, and so, society must give them clothes, phones, put them in hotels with three meals a day, entertain them, give them driving lessons and pocket money. They then leapfrog over everyone and go straight to the top of the housing list - their human rights are more important than ours after all. They are given a flat or a house, free passage to the UK for their families and then they live here on benefits. All of it paid for by British tax payers.

So, I say to you, if you weren't at the rally then you have no right to judge who was there. The vast majority were just ordinary people rallying against the injustice of the UK and the establishment as it stands. We waved our flags because this is our country and the flags are ours to raise.

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I’m glad to see what unite the kingdom aims are, although I know you weren’t answering my post specifically here.
Our country is not that poor but yes many U.K. citizens are bearing the brunt and there is a cost of living crisis - I understand that frustration.
Where I will debate is migrants getting the red carpet and the government insisting on it. I presume you are talking specifically about asylum seekers only due to the description.
Thing is that in reality, and no one important ever says this, but asylum seekers are not going to just stop, there are too many wars/disasters etc and people are driven into running. Therefore, there has to be some sort of response, an international obligation if you like, just as we need a response to people needing medical care here.
I recognise you want them just to be stopped before port, and the government is working on that with agreements with France, Albania etc, but it won’t stop or reduce overnight so there is the other part of how they are dealt with here.
It’s been done to death but anyone can claim asylum in any country that signed to the UNCHR and U.K. case law upheld this - but the government is tightening rules on asylum claims and acceptance and acceptance rates are dropping significantly under Labour.
I’ve corrected misapprehensions over phones and cash before, this kind of treatment is simply not happening and it is the hotel owners getting fat from this only - the asylum seekers get food and a tenner a week - a lot less than U.K. citizens in trouble. It’s the Tories who allowed the backlog and labour are reducing it but it takes time, and it would for any government.
The rate of asylum acceptance used to average well over 70% and more on appeal but due to tightening laws it is now around 50%. This government has been returning the failed asylum seekers as well.
You might have missed it but the government has stopped family reunion visas, so the concern they’re getting families here is now gone.
Looking at what labour is doing; tightening rules, stopping family reunion visas, returning more - not to mention the island of strangers and promises to stop the boats - isn’t this sufficient to show they’re listening? Changing rules, not asking for red carpet but instead virtually agreeing refugees shouldn’t come? Short of throwing all entrants back in the sea (and sadly I heard this advocated on Saturday) I think there is little more other governments could do.
I am not personally happy with some immigration changes, and I don’t believe no asylum seekers would solve anything for U.K. citizens but they are separate debates.
This is a why March debate, and now I’ve heard a view on it and accept this as a reason but wonder now what is wanted to be done over and above what labour are already doing?

Lemonandorangecheescake · 15/09/2025 19:05

nomas · 15/09/2025 18:55

Actually, Ant Middleton’s racist tweet is from July 2025.

And Stephen Yuckly Lennon made racist claims against two black men in a park being paedophiles a few weeks ago.

So they are very much still racist knobheads, it’s not skeletons in their closets.

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And a lot of you on this thread are making ludicrous claims that people protesting are all racists! Yet you have no evidence of any of that, but that's ok is it?

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/09/2025 19:06

noblegiraffe · 15/09/2025 18:20

Does he know his mate Tommy Robinson is the child of immigrants? Does Tommy know Ant considers him not capable of patriotism?

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Tommy Robinson is an immigrant. After Brexit he applied for an Irish Passport and fucked off to live in Spain.🙈

Patriot my arse!🙄

Nagginthenag · 15/09/2025 19:11

Lemonandorangecheescake · 15/09/2025 19:05

And a lot of you on this thread are making ludicrous claims that people protesting are all racists! Yet you have no evidence of any of that, but that's ok is it?

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There you go again. Saying something often enough so people will think it's true. What has been said is that there will be racists on the march, Yaxley-Lennon and Middleton being the obvious two. And if Yaxley-Lennon and Middleton are racists, it stands to reason at least some of their followers (because why follow someone if you don't agree with their stance) will be too.

If you're not racist, surely you'd be putting as much space between yourself and Yaxley-Lennon as possible.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 15/09/2025 19:13

Lemonandorangecheescake · 15/09/2025 18:51

So Ant Middleton and Tommy Robinson have a few skeletons in their cupboards (And I'd bet many of the anti protester 'do gooders' do too)

They're not pretending to be angels, and people don't have to like them, but with regards to them headlining the march, people share their views about this Country and what's happening to it.
Some people also don't like Katie Hopkins, but share her views and agree with everything she said in her speech.

You don't have to like and respect every aspect of a person in order to feel unity with them against causes you believe in.

No you don’t

but you also don’t need anyone saying that anyone who has served in the military is above reproach

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 15/09/2025 19:14

And a lot of you on this thread are making ludicrous claims that people protesting are all racists! Yet you have no evidence of any of that, but that's ok is it?

gonna need evidence of ‘a lot’

80smonster · 15/09/2025 19:17

EchoedSilence · 13/09/2025 20:37

One million people my arse.

Precisely.

Teresa66 · 15/09/2025 19:21

MsJinks · 15/09/2025 19:03

I’m glad to see what unite the kingdom aims are, although I know you weren’t answering my post specifically here.
Our country is not that poor but yes many U.K. citizens are bearing the brunt and there is a cost of living crisis - I understand that frustration.
Where I will debate is migrants getting the red carpet and the government insisting on it. I presume you are talking specifically about asylum seekers only due to the description.
Thing is that in reality, and no one important ever says this, but asylum seekers are not going to just stop, there are too many wars/disasters etc and people are driven into running. Therefore, there has to be some sort of response, an international obligation if you like, just as we need a response to people needing medical care here.
I recognise you want them just to be stopped before port, and the government is working on that with agreements with France, Albania etc, but it won’t stop or reduce overnight so there is the other part of how they are dealt with here.
It’s been done to death but anyone can claim asylum in any country that signed to the UNCHR and U.K. case law upheld this - but the government is tightening rules on asylum claims and acceptance and acceptance rates are dropping significantly under Labour.
I’ve corrected misapprehensions over phones and cash before, this kind of treatment is simply not happening and it is the hotel owners getting fat from this only - the asylum seekers get food and a tenner a week - a lot less than U.K. citizens in trouble. It’s the Tories who allowed the backlog and labour are reducing it but it takes time, and it would for any government.
The rate of asylum acceptance used to average well over 70% and more on appeal but due to tightening laws it is now around 50%. This government has been returning the failed asylum seekers as well.
You might have missed it but the government has stopped family reunion visas, so the concern they’re getting families here is now gone.
Looking at what labour is doing; tightening rules, stopping family reunion visas, returning more - not to mention the island of strangers and promises to stop the boats - isn’t this sufficient to show they’re listening? Changing rules, not asking for red carpet but instead virtually agreeing refugees shouldn’t come? Short of throwing all entrants back in the sea (and sadly I heard this advocated on Saturday) I think there is little more other governments could do.
I am not personally happy with some immigration changes, and I don’t believe no asylum seekers would solve anything for U.K. citizens but they are separate debates.
This is a why March debate, and now I’ve heard a view on it and accept this as a reason but wonder now what is wanted to be done over and above what labour are already doing?

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I do not stand for Unite the Kingdom so I cannot say what their specific aims are. I was just outlining why I attended the rally and had many discussions with like minded people

You make some valid points about migration and, maybe, Labour are trying to do something about it but, you cannot deny, that migration is costing us billions year on year. I have also seen that migrants do get what I stated. Please show me where it says that they do not.

pointythings · 15/09/2025 19:22

Teresa66 · 15/09/2025 18:29

Why would that be?
There were literally thousands upon thousands there on Saturday (many more than MSM is quoting). Most were not supporting TR specifically, just trying to get the voice of ordinary British citizens heard. There were people from all walks of life; young, old, disabled, all races and creeds, religious or atheist. All of us were there to raise our heads above the parapet - to make it something the establishment could not ignore: the voices of so many people making a stand in the only way they can.
Successive governments aren't listening and ordinary Brits are taking the brunt of tax increases, price hikes, being made to pay extra for ridiculous net zero projects, farmers and fishermen being robbed of their livelihoods, people waiting too long for NHS services etc. Our country, and everyone of us, is getting poorer whilst Westminster tells us that we must roll out the red carpet for migrants.

No matter that the country is in so much debt that it'll take generations to pay off, let's just spend billions every year on supporting all of these people from across the world that choose to come here. Regardless of whether they have actually crossed other safe countries to get here. Regardless of whether they are actually just economic migrants and left a safe country because they thought that London's roads were paved with gold. Their 'human rights' trump those of us Brits apparently, and so, society must give them clothes, phones, put them in hotels with three meals a day, entertain them, give them driving lessons and pocket money. They then leapfrog over everyone and go straight to the top of the housing list - their human rights are more important than ours after all. They are given a flat or a house, free passage to the UK for their families and then they live here on benefits. All of it paid for by British tax payers.

So, I say to you, if you weren't at the rally then you have no right to judge who was there. The vast majority were just ordinary people rallying against the injustice of the UK and the establishment as it stands. We waved our flags because this is our country and the flags are ours to raise.

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You seem to be quite confused about the difference between immigrants and asylum seekers.

I'm an immigrant. I've been here 28 years. Always worked, own my home. And there are lots of immigrants just like me. We've been handed nothing. We may get a pension at some point - which we have paid into, just like people born British.

Then you have asylum seekers, who have come here fleeing all kinds of horrors. If they are found not to be legitimate, they can be deported. Did you know the Labour government have deported more people in their first year than their predecessors managed in their entire Parliament?

By the way, asylum seekers don't get any of the things you are so blithely listing. You have either believed the lies or chosen to believe the lies - the information you're looking for is openly available. I suggest you look it up - 'do your own resaerch'.

Teresa66 · 15/09/2025 19:26

Nagginthenag · 15/09/2025 18:58

But just to pick up a couple of your points - the 'mother' being imprisoned for a tweet wasn't just posting in the heat of the moment - she had history of posting inflammatory social media. She was encouraging people already ready to commit acts of violence to burn down a migrant hostel with people inside it:

'Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it.”

Why does her being a mother make that OK?

The women standing outside abortion clinics in silent prayer are usually surrounded by mocked up photos of screaming foetuses. Causing women entering clinics further anguish on what may be already an incredibly day for them. If the praying women are really praying for the women entering the clinics, they could pray from home couldn't they, rather than from their intimidatory kerbside stands.

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You've missed the point - all of the examples relate to Freedom of Speech. The very thing that is currently under threat. No one has the right not to be offended.

Notonthestairs · 15/09/2025 19:28

Lemonandorangecheescake · 15/09/2025 18:51

So Ant Middleton and Tommy Robinson have a few skeletons in their cupboards (And I'd bet many of the anti protester 'do gooders' do too)

They're not pretending to be angels, and people don't have to like them, but with regards to them headlining the march, people share their views about this Country and what's happening to it.
Some people also don't like Katie Hopkins, but share her views and agree with everything she said in her speech.

You don't have to like and respect every aspect of a person in order to feel unity with them against causes you believe in.

Yaxley Lennon received a 5 stalking ban.
he hired a private investigator to track a woman journalist down and then went round to her home late at night to intimidate her.

Teresa66 · 15/09/2025 19:29

pointythings · 15/09/2025 19:22

You seem to be quite confused about the difference between immigrants and asylum seekers.

I'm an immigrant. I've been here 28 years. Always worked, own my home. And there are lots of immigrants just like me. We've been handed nothing. We may get a pension at some point - which we have paid into, just like people born British.

Then you have asylum seekers, who have come here fleeing all kinds of horrors. If they are found not to be legitimate, they can be deported. Did you know the Labour government have deported more people in their first year than their predecessors managed in their entire Parliament?

By the way, asylum seekers don't get any of the things you are so blithely listing. You have either believed the lies or chosen to believe the lies - the information you're looking for is openly available. I suggest you look it up - 'do your own resaerch'.

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Asylum support: What you'll get - GOV.UK

Asylum support

How to apply for asylum support if you're waiting to find out if you'll be given asylum in the UK

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

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noblegiraffe · 15/09/2025 19:31

Where's the bit where it says they'll get phones, driving lessons and free entry to English Heritage sites?

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Nagginthenag · 15/09/2025 19:31

Teresa66 · 15/09/2025 19:26

You've missed the point - all of the examples relate to Freedom of Speech. The very thing that is currently under threat. No one has the right not to be offended.

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Inciting people to burn down a hostel and it's occupants is not free speech, it's incitement. And standing next to an abortion clinic surrounded by mocked up photos of foetuses is not free speech, it's harassment.

And tbh, if you're OK with either of these things you need to take a long hard look at yourself.

IWFH · 15/09/2025 19:33

Teresa66 · 15/09/2025 19:29

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Can't see phones on that website. Will you now admit some of your claims are fallacious?

Nagginthenag · 15/09/2025 19:33

noblegiraffe · 15/09/2025 19:31

Where's the bit where it says they'll get phones, driving lessons and free entry to English Heritage sites?

Oh, wait - it's not there. Oops.

EchoedSilence · 15/09/2025 19:34

Teresa66 · 15/09/2025 18:29

Why would that be?
There were literally thousands upon thousands there on Saturday (many more than MSM is quoting). Most were not supporting TR specifically, just trying to get the voice of ordinary British citizens heard. There were people from all walks of life; young, old, disabled, all races and creeds, religious or atheist. All of us were there to raise our heads above the parapet - to make it something the establishment could not ignore: the voices of so many people making a stand in the only way they can.
Successive governments aren't listening and ordinary Brits are taking the brunt of tax increases, price hikes, being made to pay extra for ridiculous net zero projects, farmers and fishermen being robbed of their livelihoods, people waiting too long for NHS services etc. Our country, and everyone of us, is getting poorer whilst Westminster tells us that we must roll out the red carpet for migrants.

No matter that the country is in so much debt that it'll take generations to pay off, let's just spend billions every year on supporting all of these people from across the world that choose to come here. Regardless of whether they have actually crossed other safe countries to get here. Regardless of whether they are actually just economic migrants and left a safe country because they thought that London's roads were paved with gold. Their 'human rights' trump those of us Brits apparently, and so, society must give them clothes, phones, put them in hotels with three meals a day, entertain them, give them driving lessons and pocket money. They then leapfrog over everyone and go straight to the top of the housing list - their human rights are more important than ours after all. They are given a flat or a house, free passage to the UK for their families and then they live here on benefits. All of it paid for by British tax payers.

So, I say to you, if you weren't at the rally then you have no right to judge who was there. The vast majority were just ordinary people rallying against the injustice of the UK and the establishment as it stands. We waved our flags because this is our country and the flags are ours to raise.

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You keep telling yourself that's why TR boot boys were there.

Namitynamename · 15/09/2025 19:34

Teresa66 · 15/09/2025 19:26

You've missed the point - all of the examples relate to Freedom of Speech. The very thing that is currently under threat. No one has the right not to be offended.

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No-one has the right to not be offended.
No-one has the right to invite angry mobs to burn down people's houses. No-one ever has. It's amazing how exactly Connelly met the example John Stuart Mill (free speech pioneer) gave of speech that crosses over the line into inciting violence. To paraphrase:

If someone criticises corn merchants for keeping corn prices high and a mad man hears him and attacks the corn merchant then you can't blame the first person for the attack.
If there is famine in the land and an angry mob gathers outside a corn merchants house and a speaker gets up and declared that corn merchants are responsible for the famine and they should burn down their houses then the corn merchant is responsible

It's almost the exact same situation today. It is legal to criticise immigration, to talk about attacks of women and girls. It's even legal to say quite offensive things. It's not legal to incite an angry mob to burn down a hotel.

There may well be government overreach on free speech at the moment. I think there is. Lucy Connelly isn't it.

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noblegiraffe · 15/09/2025 19:35

Teresa66 · 15/09/2025 19:21

I do not stand for Unite the Kingdom so I cannot say what their specific aims are. I was just outlining why I attended the rally and had many discussions with like minded people

You make some valid points about migration and, maybe, Labour are trying to do something about it but, you cannot deny, that migration is costing us billions year on year. I have also seen that migrants do get what I stated. Please show me where it says that they do not.

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Why did you attend a rally for a cause you don't believe in?

Even if I agreed with what he said on a particular issue, I wouldn't march in a Tommy Robinson-organised rally. If he merely organised a free candy-floss giveaway, I still wouldn't turn up.

I don't understand why people would want to be associated with him.

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Teresa66 · 15/09/2025 19:37

I've watched footage where people have gone into migrant hotels. It's all clearly posted on notice boards that have been filmed, along with some discussions with the migrants themselves. I can't give you links I'm afraid but i'm sure a bit of research would reveal all.

MsJinks · 15/09/2025 19:40

Teresa66 · 15/09/2025 19:21

I do not stand for Unite the Kingdom so I cannot say what their specific aims are. I was just outlining why I attended the rally and had many discussions with like minded people

You make some valid points about migration and, maybe, Labour are trying to do something about it but, you cannot deny, that migration is costing us billions year on year. I have also seen that migrants do get what I stated. Please show me where it says that they do not.

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I will presume you mean asylum seekers?
Im surprised myself on checking. So it’s around £4bn in 2024, from a study from Tax Policy Associates with figures taken from the National Audit office.
This will be dropping this year, but even this amount is just 0.3% of total government spending. Not so much then.
It’s budgeted as part of all the immigration costs/profits ie/ border control, passport costs etc.
I would say a large proportion of this spend goes into fat cat back pockets, utilising hotels which will never operate normally again just to get HO contracts.
If we include all immigration it’s good to know that increases U.K. income and once successful asylum seekers are settled they will be part of the overall net contribution to the U.K.
I hope this helps some of the concerns re costs - I was glad to find this myself, lower than expected, so thank you for asking.

pointythings · 15/09/2025 19:41

Teresa66 · 15/09/2025 19:29

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Where's the bit about the mobile phones, driving lessons and entertainment?
And of course you know full well that if an asylum seeker is housed in a hotel providing food, they get £9 a week. For everything else - and these are not the kind of hotels that provide laundry services, toiletries and so on. In fact, they are run down dumps which were going out of business as hotels and whose owners are now raking it in...

And if an asylum seeker gets ill, are you happy to leave them to get worse or die? Or do you want them to pay for their care out of their princely £9 a week? You're really not thinking this through

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