Fuck OFF Elon Musk

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Elon Musk appeared via video link today at Tommy Robinson's Racist March wittering on about woke mind viruses and calling for the dissolution of parliament.

All I really want to say is FUCK OFF ELON MUSK.

I don't trust MSM, I prefer to use my own eyes and make an honest judgement, maybe you should try it for yourself.

No

It's the very definition of you being wrong - setting yourself up as some kind of expert on crowd size

And unable to provide any evidence in support of your joke of an estimate

<sighs> My point was that the media is reporting that the people in the footage could only fill wembly 1.5 times - it's obviously more than that.

I'm aware of the capacity but thanks for thinking I didn't.

I supplied footage of the people shown (before the camera cuts away) and as an honest person, it shows way, way more people than the media are reporting.

The aerial footage shows about 700 metres of road at about 20 metres wide, plus the squares at the ends. At about 4 people per square metre (that’s pretty tight packed) the 700 metres would be about 76000. Say 10000 in each square (admittedly a guesstimate) and you get to just under 100k. What’s making you multiply that by 10? Or lately, 20?

You're convincing no-one

I'm not gaslighting you. Is it possible you're annoyed that a bunch of women disagree with you?

The lies people tell themselves is both incredible and terrifying.

Again, we are agreed on that. We just disagree on who is doing the lying…

There are 68,300,000 people in the UK. 14,403,544 of those are under 18.

Your basic maths is as dodgy as your ability to calculate crowd numbers.

The BBC are now saying 'more than 150k'.

The problem is the drone/helicopter footage doesn't show the road at the end. The march started at Waterloo (it's the Waterloo IMAX at the start of the video) and that's the tailend of the demonstration.

Without seeing how far the march has progressed at that point, we can't give an accurate estimate on numbers. If it continued like that all the way to Whitehall, then it would definitely be over a million. If the crowd had only just turned the corner, then maybe 150k is a fair number.

I prefer maths. We can use it here, because the march crossed Westminster Bridge which is 250 m long and 25 m wide.

Soldiers in formation march with spacing of about 1m in each direction. A number of these marchers had placards, etc, requiring mire space. Some may have been packed in tight. We can use the soldiers’ spacing as a reasonable assumption.

No one walks at the curb. Leaving half a metre on each side, assume 24 marchers in a row. If there are even 1,000,000 marchers, that makes 41,667rows. With a metre between each row, that is a line 41,667 metres or 25.89 miles long.

Soldiers march at a rate of about 2.5 mph. It would have taken a line of marchers over 25 miles long over 10 hours just to cross Westminster Bridge.

Who amongst the million plus believers thinks that it took the marchers over 10 hours to cross the Bridge?

Credit to the PP who said that this analysis was done somewhere on social media. I wish I knew who had the idea first, so I could credit them.

Note: as has been said here, it very easy to blur the different amounts of space people take up sitting, standing and moving. Hence the counter-intuitive Wembley phenomenon being discussed.

This is the problem, no matter what the government does, ultimately the guys marching with flags are not going to be happy.

Do you think any of them know what immigration levels were last year or this? How much was illegal and how much illegal? How many people were deported?

Their views aren't based on FACTS so there's really no way to tackle it with policy, so... What's the answer? 🤷‍♀️

Try the crowd calculation tool for both scenarios

"If the crowd had only just turned the corner, then maybe 150k is a fair number." Actually no, it would be way less than that if the crowd was confined to that area. But I doubt the crowd had only just turned the corner as I trust the reports saying it was much larger than that (and there is also arial footage of a larger crowd than that.) if you stretch the column all along the road for ages and ages and put them at maximum density the 150,000 estimate works. Which is a very high number for a protest. I don't see the point of trying to insist it's a million though.

That’s what I was looking for! Well done finding it. I did a basic calculation based on some stats I found online but that’s much clearer.
Edit: unless you did the calculation yourself in what h case I bow to your excellent maths!

I’ve asked posters a few times on this and other threads what the government listening to them would look like, given they have shifted messaging on asylum quite significantly recently and are getting through the backlog and significant numbers of deportations.
Crickets.

Ok, if we think about the one million March against the Iraq war?
What difference did it make? None.

Tony Blair still went ahead, participated in starting an illegal war and killed tens of thousands of innocent people.

He has still not been punished for his War Crimes.

These are the kind of people we are fighting against. They do not care about other people, only themselves.
They are self serving narcissists.

Without using violence, marches and protests are the only way we can show our feelings.
Why are some of you against this?
Why do you feel the need to prove there were less people on the march?
What are you hoping to achieve against the corrupt governments when putting others down?

Not sure what Blair has to do with it. I didn’t agree with the Iraq war but this is nothing like that and it’s not the same government. As you say, marches dont tend to change much. As such, why insist it’s bigger than it clearly was?
I’ve asked just above - what would the government listening to you look like? What do you want to actually happen?

Let me flip that: why are you trying to pretend the numbers were greater than they actually were? Why isn't the reality enough for you?

I agree with the gaslighting but what is their purpose?
Their must be a reason to try and belittle a massive peoples march?

Friends and relatives of the British government, maybe?
What else could it possibly be?

Thank you, @cardibach

The idea came from PP’s remark that someone on SM had disproved the claim of 1M marchers from analysing a bridge crossing. I would have preferred to find her source, but could not. For better or worse those calculations are mine.

I am afraid we had better get used to these marches... the one on Saturday was so successful that plenty more are in the pipeline. Many people on Saturday did not go and just watched online, because they were frightened of violence, bad weather or lack of toilets!

The march on Saturday was mostly peaceful.......Yes I know 26 policemen got, hurt, but compare that to the 55 assaults on police during Carnival 2025. 24 arrests were made compared to the 420–500+ arrests at the Carnival, and no one got stabbed!
Next time I believe TR is going to organise a march will be in a park or a stadium. So everyone attending can hear him and his speakers .......and then the media cannot downplay the numbers attending.

Nobody is gaslighting except the people insisting there were 1, or is it 2 or is it 3? Million people on that march. It was a sizeable march. It wasn’t in the millions. Two of us have done illustrative calculations now which you haven’t responded to. The trouble with big numbers is that they are hard to visualise. You are just mistaken, or else one of the reputable news outlets worldwide would have challenged the figure. Even if you don’t trust them, foreign media has no axe to grind here, and some would love a story that there was a big march and the British press were playing it down (why would the right wing press do that anyway?).

Well I'm convinced.
It's bloody obvious but if you want to believe the police and the mainstream media, hey ho. So be it.

It was my suggestion but I couldn’t find it again so did a simpler one myself. Excellent calculations. Plus if you are off on the spacing badly and it was do7ble that, it’s still a 5 hour crossing. It was not.