Fuck OFF Elon Musk

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Elon Musk appeared via video link today at Tommy Robinson's Racist March wittering on about woke mind viruses and calling for the dissolution of parliament.

All I really want to say is FUCK OFF ELON MUSK.

What world do you deluded fools inhabit?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/12/free-speech-champion-harassed-trans-police-hate-crime/

Mr Miller was also accused of misgendering Watson in an article he had written about his stalking ordeal for The Critic magazine.

He was informed he was being questioned on suspicion of a breach of the Online Safety Act, which makes it a criminal offence to send a message knowing it to be false and intending it cause non-trivial psychological or physical harm without a reasonable excuse.

The Online Safety Act gained Royal Assent on Oct 26, 2023, the day before Mr Miller posted the tweet, but did not become law until Jan 31 last year, so could not have been applied in this case.

Mr Miller was subsequently released with no further action.

However, earlier this year, he submitted a formal request to Lincolnshire Police to establish how the force had recorded the incident.

He said he was alarmed to discover it had been officially recorded as a stalking offence and a hate crime, which could show up on any enhanced DBS check.The letter he received stated: “The occurrence … in which you were interviewed in relation to on 20 November 2024 has been recorded as a hate crime. The crime (stalking involving serious alarm or distress) has prejudice flags attached.”‘

A whole new level of insanity

Mr Miller said that the whole sequence of events was extremely sinister and that he had now instructed lawyers to begin legal action to have the record expunged.

He told the Telegraph: “This incident has revealed a whole new level of insanity. I was coerced into attending an interview under caution by Lincolnshire CID under threat of arrest, and questioned about breaking a law that did not exist.

“Additionally, without charge, caution, referral to the CPS, or bothering to tell me, the police then gave me a criminal record for the imprisonable offence of stalking, adding for good measure the additional element of hate. Imagine that coming up in an enhanced DBS check.“Lincolnshire Police are criminally negligent. Every officer involved in this case needs bringing before a disciplinary tribunal, and the Chief Constable must personally apologise. It won’t stop me suing them, but it will be a start.”

🤣 oh dear.

Sweep of history? Try reading some.

I have to live in fear of repercussions for speaking what my heart tells me. That's why I resist when people tell me the UK has free speech.

Free speech doesn’t mean speech free from repercussions. It simply means the state won’t stop you saying it. And unless it breaks a law around hate or violence, they won’t. You losing your job or the respect of your colleagues is a different matter.

I seem to remember the Tories were in power when that happened.

Just saying.

I’m literally looking for the truth. But it’s ok, another poster has linked to something debunking the far right politician’s source. You don’t seem to want to recognise that. What was that about a memory hole? You seem to be the one ignoring things…

You haven't debunked anything. One tip, you can't just dismiss a source because they've been labelled "far right" You're not interested in truth, you're only interested in your side.

So who should be protecting the public if not the police?

The protesters arrested at the PA protest were arrested just for supporting the PA, whereas the 26 policemen at the far right march were injured by far right yobs.

Surely as a proponent for free speech, you disagree with PA members being arrested for exercising their right to free speech?

He can't say what his heart tells him......

Ah. You have confirmed what I suspected.

I didn’t say I had debunked anything. I haven’t labelled the politician far right, either. Her decision to represent AfD did that.
Again, it seems to be you only interested in your side.
What is it you live in fear of saying at work? This is an anonymous forum, surely you can give us some idea without risking your job. I mean, if it’s sufficiently violent MN might report you instead of just deleting the post but it seems unlikely.

I have no issues with PA marches. What I do have an issue with is you cherry picking police assaults. The Police assaults at the PA were beyond atrocious yet you only see fit to call out the "far right yobs" - again, you're not interested in the truth or fairness or understanding, just "your side"

Yes but that's freedom of speech for you. You can say these things you want to say. No-one is stopping you. There may be repercussions. It's for you to decide whether you feel that's worth it to you. Because what you say may hurt someone else.

We have societal norms so we can live in reasonable peace and harmony. If everyone just said everything and anything then society suffers (which tbh is what is happening now to a certain extent).

Absolutely nothing to do with my parents living in Spain, as well you know.

You repeated what I said I'm getting on now and said it disgusted you.

No amount of waffling will get you out of your insult.

Eh? The police have literally said 'No one was seriously injured' at the PA protest. Here is a picture of an 89 year old woman arrested.

The police assaults at the far right march were much larger in number.

By that rational, we're free to murder people. There may be repercussions, but you're still free to do it...

Eh? @MrsSkylerWhite clearly meant she was getting older too and the far right march disgusted her. How does that insult you?

You said in your post that you were getting on a bit and the march made you proud. The person you are accusing of insulting you simply said she, too, was getting on and the march disgusted her. I can’t see how you are reading this as an insult.
Have you misread or misunderstood? If so I hope I’ve explained it so that you don’t feel attacked.

Well 8n a way that’s true, isn’t it?
Free speech simply means the state doesn’t prevent you from saying things. So yes, our free speech is qualified as you don’t have the right to stalk, incite violence and so on. But why would you want to? And why would being protected from that be a bad thing?

But you don’t stand with the majority, as proved by the turn out at the protest, the numbers mentioned are absolutely tiny. 150,000 is just a bunch of racists who have trained in from other regions with the intent of making a nuisance of themselves. Injuring police officers is abhorrent behaviour whichever way you see things. Your ignorance (and your family’s by the sounds of things) is astounding. What happened in your life to make you so bitter and vengeful? I’m guessing you possibly aren’t very well educated? Your debating skills and ability to field questions with facts speak volumes.

Well no, there are laws about that sort of thing.....

I hate the way people are including children in their "racist" allegations.

There WERE children there and you called them all "just a bunch of racists"

You really need to think what you are saying. This type of hate speech can cause riots.

Lots of people are worried about free speech in the country. It's not a clearcut left/right thing.

There are issues with how the laws around hate speech, particularly "non-crime hate incidents" have been used recently. Interestingly I think it started under the Tories mostly. They are probably bad laws. But there is very uneven policing in this regard. One former GB news presenter experienced ongoing stalking and very horrible threats of violence from a male with far right beliefs. That wasn't taken seriously for a long time. Likewise some of the threats used against GC women from TRAs were not looked at. When venues are cancelling events because of bomb threats the police really should take that seriously regardless of the organisation booked to speak.
On the other hand I think threats from groups with Islamic connections are taken much more seriously. Probably because of the last 20 years and the "war on terror" so fair enough (but far right/anti feminist stalkers also kill people so should also be taken seriously). I do think it's an issue when activist groups like PA are marked as terrorist groups. I think it will undermine confidence in that classification further down the line.
And right at the other end of the scale some police forces seem to have a very cost relationship with some trans activists to the extent they maybe have been used as a tool to harrass women.

So there are issues but I don't think the ten name Tommy's of the world are the victims of this imbalance. If anything they seem to get a lot more leeway (if you want to make violent threats be a well connected transactivist or a right wing man). And Elon Musk charging in and shouting that violence is coming is the definition of not helping.

It was at least a million people.

That 1 in 37 people in the UK (37 million adults in the UK)

1 in 37 people bothered to go to London and march in protest.

It's not tiny, it's huge.

You're not in the office now, so yoj can tell us what you want to say.

Of course freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences, criticism or disagreement.