Fuck OFF Elon Musk

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Elon Musk appeared via video link today at Tommy Robinson's Racist March wittering on about woke mind viruses and calling for the dissolution of parliament.

All I really want to say is FUCK OFF ELON MUSK.

To be fair, this just shows how much bias there is on reporting (or lack thereof) of certain groups, as I was only aware of the planes.

Even 1% is too fucking many!

Criticising, yes - though I don’t think we have to take any notice.
Calling for violent insurrection against - absolutely not.

If the housing stock had been built up, the prices would t have risen so fast. If so much of it hadn’t been bought as investments, the prices wouldn’t have risen so fast.

Huge. Would be affordable if we were taking tax at the levels we did in the 70s or if we taxed wealth.

Utter absurdity - even Labour are belatedly waking up to it to the stupidity of what you propose.

Capital flight would accelerate.

The brain drain would accelerate.

The UK would become like parts of Latin America, where the government employs more than 50% of the workforce. How is that working out for Argentina?

May I enquire as to your professional background?

None of your business @GabrielsOboe. And irrelevant anyway.
Ok. You don’t agree. Fine. Let’s leave it because I’m bored now.

You have just reminded me of my DD1 when she was five!

Night, night.

Oh grow up. Your tone to posters is most unpleasant.

Protest your racist views (with children in tow) in your own village. You’re an embarrassment to people who live in London - we do not share your racist, small minded and bigoted views. Like I said behave that way in your own town, not mine.

I think you'll find the turnout in London speaks for itself

I thought you were bored.

I confess to having an intolerance for those who profess to know what they are talking about (when they clearly do not).

Yes, attacking a plane for example is a concrete action. It is illegal and you will get prosecuted for it. We have laws against criminal damage and against aggravated criminal damage etc.

But proscribing the entire organisation as a terrorist one, then makes it an arrestable offence to hold up a sign saying "support Palestine action". Holding a sign saying "Palestine Action" is could be interpreted as "calling for" the action of attacking planes etc since that is what they did. It is not itself the action of attacking planes. In the same way that directly calling for an uprising against the UK government (as Musk did) is not actually the action of uprising against the UK government. I would argue personally that a "support Palestine Action" sign is much less of a direct call for violence than literally calling for violent rebellion and the overthrow of a democratically elected government. Which Elon Musk did do. It isn't about "were Palestine Action right to damage the plane etc". I don't think they were. Hope the people that did it go to prison. But there is a clear double standard

Words
"Palestine sign"
We need "revolutionary government change" to "dissolve parliament" "fight fight fight"(Musk)

Actions
Breaking planes
January 6th in America

You need to have a clear idea of what is/isn't allowed that's seperate to what you believe. Would you be happy if a speaker in an Islamic country called out the exact same wording as Elon Musk to a huge crowd of pro-Palestine protesters? Would you be happy if the organisers of the Unite the Kingdom rally were branded a terrorist group? (I wouldn't to be clear. I don't like them but it would be outrageous to do so).

As you are around this evening, I and others are still waiting for answer to my question asked of you at 13.57. TIA

Not really, 150,000? I think you’ll find that’s quite unimpressive in terms of protests. Brexit was between a million and 400,000. The population of London was 9.8 million last time I checked. So 150,000 is going to be a collective of racist individuals (and their children it would seem), most likely hailing from other more small minded parts of the UK. I don’t find anything Tommy Robinson organises particularly interesting, just bigoted and hateful.

Just on t’other thread.

TTFN.

Back to the actual topic of the thread.

Ed Davey has written to the Starmer, Farage and Badenoch asking for a united front in condemning Musk's remarks and for him to face sanctions.

So Ed Davey also votes 'Fuck Off Elon Musk'.

That's true, although even in places like the Netherlands there is a lot of anger about houses. My friend who was buying a house there was so depressed because every time you go to a viewing there would be 10 other people there, half of them buying it to add to a portfolio.

It's a global problem. House prices are also going up by a lot in places like the Czech Republic https://www.globalpropertyguide.com/europe/czech-republic/price-history which another poster cited as an alternative (less immigration) example.to the UK

We need to build more houses. But the only time, historically when house building has kept up with demand is when the government is doing it. Because housing is an asset, it is not in the interests of private companies/private equity firms to decrease the value of their existing stock. So the building they do is always limited below the level needed to do this. And when more is built its snapped up as an investment.
If you reduced demand for houses (by restricting immigration) you would see a corresponding fall in house building. And house prices would not go down. And people upset about house prices would continue to feel ignored.

Sorry, I know that's a deviation from the thread. But people like Elon are manipulating real, justified discontent. I don't think they are creating it.

That's simply complete bollocks.

Just look at the number of Victorian and 1930’s houses in the UK. It was the Town & Country Planning Act (Labour Government) that killed private house building.

You're referring to 10 months ago in the USA.
I'm suggesting that Musk has no power here. He has an opinion, that's all. If you don't like his opinion, ignore it.
Flapping over nothing.

Flapping. Interesting. Do you think he had no power in the US? If he did, then why and how did he get it? Why would the UK not be impacted by or vulnerable to that?

I feel quite sad for you, for some reason.
It's your tone and anger I think, quite depressing to try and converse with.

How does your family feel about your views?

Incredibly naive.

Sorry, my wording was kept up with demand. Maybe that was weaselly. The Victorians built a lot of houses but not enough to keep up with demand in urban areas hence overcrowded slums. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_in_the_United_Kingdom
I know that sounds contradictory but the movement of people into cities then was so extreme and so rapid. It was much more significant than the movement of people into the UK today. But more importantly, it wasn't really in private landlords interests to improve poorer housing stock. Rent cost more per square foot in the slums than posh areas. It's more profitable to just pack em in tighter than build more so that's what happened. There was a huge outcry at the time about the slums/homelessness. And the government (not private enterprise) had to spend a lot on sanitation because people kept dying of cholera etc. The Victorians carried out huge public works. Plus you had Quakers etc and altruistic building projects. But actually housing availability continued to be an issue that could bring down governments well into the 1900s. (Also to be fair the liberal governments attempt to make things better by taxing land in the 1900s went horribly wrong).

fullfact.org/economy/house-building-england/