Charlie Kirk dead

[Booneymil]

The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man.

We should be able to have a thread about this news topic.

Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread?

Thank you.

Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

Yes, some women are anti abortion. Some women are misogynists too.

And not one of those things justifies dehumanising him.

Not a single one.

Read any biography on assassins, I guess? There’s plenty from all the political spectrum to choose from. “Why is this a norm in your world?” - what a bizarre remark.

Isn't it the same belief system that shot Brian Thompson, CEO of United Healthcare?

I'm trying hard NOT to express an opinion here. Both men were murdered. Both men represented something dangerous to civil society.

That's one and they've not posted before. You claimed "Post after post" - so quote all the others as I asked you to.

QED

Every death is a tragedy; every birth is a blessing.
Two hyperbolic phrases flung around by neighbours chattering over fences or on buses.
Dig more than a millimetre and, most of the time, no one thinks that.

I can honestly say, I don’t know the man but have watched a lot of his videos and honestly I don’t think I’ve felt sadder than I have for a long time this morning. I’m sad for him, his family and just what an awful state the world is in at the moment.

Unfortunately you can’t stir up hate, division and be pro fire arms and just assume we will all Kill and hate eachother and he’ll be fine.

Same. His stance on men and fatherhood was also very much in the tradition of ‘God’ made men the ‘head’ of the family to lead and everyone needs to follow that.
Not being a believer of mystical beings in the sky giving men all the power, whichever their religion, People who want to legislate civil rights according to their personal beliefs need to be treated with suspicious.

I grew up very rurally and therefore my parents had guns. Locked away of course. If we had been burgled and they had guns - which would have been likely - the guns would have been used in defence.

in that situation would you keep a gun?

i absolutely hate guns… but if I was back in that house on a dark night I think I would want a gun. I hate that I think that but it’s true

A society has to have a norm

The debate is about finding the norm we can all live with

I have an image of a very pregnant women on some march with a slogan on her t-shirt saying “I have the right to abort” or something similar. I’d like to debate her for example, find out how she got there. I don’t want to kill her. Or her baby, ironically.

When you promote violence and dehumanize large groups of people... (lets put it this way): 'good things don't come your way'.

I’m not going to do that

You disagree, that’s fine

Women have every right to be anti aborttion if they so wish. It does not make one a misogynist automatically no matter who says it does. It’s also not just religious people either. Plenty of atheists don’t for various reasons. None
of which they have to justify as
long as they don’t push their views on others or miscall people who do have them.

The norm should be free choice for everyone. You should have the choice to have an abortion, or not have one. Nobody is forcing abortions on anyone. But it is surely better for everyone to have free choice, than restricting their options?

I find some of the right-wing rhetoric on this thread really concerning. Yes, it’s very sad he died and no one should be murdered for expressing their views.

Why can’t you accept that some of his views were extreme and misinformed? You are praising the man for his debate skills (fine - but many of the debates he had were littered with misinformation, such as his beliefs that the officer who killed George Floyd was not guilty of his death) but you are unable to debate in a reasonable way. Part of his views are his legacy, and we shouldn’t shy away from the fact that some of his views were downright scary, and that he spread a lot of misinformation.

Saying that if his 10 year old daughter were raped, that the baby would be ‘delivered’ (so she would be forced to carry a pregnancy to term) is that particular view palatable to you who follow him? And if so, what are you doing on a parenting website?

Well did he personally force them on anyone? Or did he state what his views were? Did he grog match anyone out of an abortion clinic?

what’s your position on Palestine where religious views are literally forced on people by terrorists?

I know that (hence why I wrote "That's a lie."). It's @MyHeartyCoralSnail who keeps misrepresenting the views on this thread because she's failed to grasp that the original thread, which had some repugnant and disrespectful comments about Kirk's murder, was deleted yesterday! 🙄

Speak for yourself

I have never heard of this man and I read the papers and watch news a lot.
No idea who he was and very surprise his assassination in USA is given so much coverage in uk.
Restrict the right to carry guns in USA is the answer.
Wake up USA. What does it take??
Condolences.

Did she speak out about the right of citizens to carry knives? Was she responsible for a dangerous schizophrenic not receiving the treatment he needed? Then no, she did not bring it on herself but was a victim of both the man who murdered her and those who failed to control him.

He supports Trump and the ideology that has undone Roe v Wade and has enforced abortion bans in many states…

Because you can't. 🙄

Are you a right wing over reactionary?