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Labour isn't working - Thread 8

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TheNuthatch · 10/09/2025 10:58

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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A chat thread for those who *don't *like this Labour government. ^The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money....

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Julen7 · 15/09/2025 09:19

EasternStandard · 15/09/2025 09:10

A different MP not under any comms restrictions presumably

Speaking to the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, Mr Burgon said: “There’ll be elections in the Scottish Parliament, elections in the Welsh Senedd, elections in London, elections right across the country.

“And the opinion polls at the moment suggest that as it stands it’s going to be a disaster. And I think it is inevitable that if May’s elections go as people predict and as the opinion polls predict, then I think Starmer will be gone at that time.”

Burgon is a left winger. He also said this morning that it feels like Labour have been in power and unpopular for years and years instead of about 15 months (how do you think the rest of us feel?)

Rivalled · 15/09/2025 09:19

Oh reeves will likely get them any way - rumours the lump sum being cut to £100k, but then there might be that lovely lowering of cash isa allowances to look forward to.

only a couple of more months of this before the length of the plank is revealed!

NoWordForFluffy · 15/09/2025 09:22

Julen7 · 15/09/2025 09:19

Burgon is a left winger. He also said this morning that it feels like Labour have been in power and unpopular for years and years instead of about 15 months (how do you think the rest of us feel?)

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Didn't he stand for leader when Starmer did?

Maybe he has his eyes on the prize again!

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EasternStandard · 15/09/2025 09:27

Julen7 · 15/09/2025 09:19

Burgon is a left winger. He also said this morning that it feels like Labour have been in power and unpopular for years and years instead of about 15 months (how do you think the rest of us feel?)

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I hadn’t heard of him, it does seem it’s coming from the left of the party.

I can see how it all might implode if KS goes (markets could react if a left winger takes over) but I’m not sure what the mechanism is for KS to actually go.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 15/09/2025 09:35

The thing about Mandelson is that it came at the worst possible time.
A state visit by and American president is huge, preparation is enormous.

Have a new ambassador step in now, with a few days to go is incredibly hard.

The more I think about it, the more I think Why the fuck did you have this ticking bomb? It all blew up in your faces.

Absentosaur · 15/09/2025 09:45

‘The President of the US has invited Dame Karen Pierce to attend the State Banquet at Windsor Castle next week‘

Interesting just a few days ago…

Why didn’t Labour keep DKP in position I wonder. Instead installing a ‘silver tongued’ friend of a known paedophile. Because of their systemic misogyny, probably.

https://www.gbnews.com/royal/lord-mandelson-donald-trump-state-visit-uk-us

Lord Mandelson sacked days before Donald Trump’s State Visit amid President's 'direct challenge'

The President of the US has invited Dame Karen Pierce to attend the State Banquet at Windsor Castle next week

https://www.gbnews.com/royal/lord-mandelson-donald-trump-state-visit-uk-us

DancingFerret · 15/09/2025 09:55

Burgon didn't ring any bells for me, so Google it had to be. KS dismissed him from the Shadow Cabinet in 2020 so Burgon probably has an axe to grind.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Burgon

upseedaisee · 15/09/2025 10:03

GabrielsOboe · 15/09/2025 08:58

Meanwhile, behavioural economics in action:

Older homeowners unlock £636m from their properties to avoid inheritance tax.

Tax-free pension lump sum withdrawals surge 61%.

Two of Britain’s most prominent pension experts have said they are planning to raid their savings pots amid fears Chancellor Rachel Reeves could slash the tax-free lump sum.

Tom McPhail, pension scheme trustee and retirement expert, and Stephen Lowe, at annuity firm Just Group, are considering the radical move as fears grow of another pensions tax raid in Rachel Reeves’s November Budget.

Among the policies being considered is a cut to the tax-free pension lump sum which could raise as much as £2bn a year. At present, savers aged 55 and over can withdraw as much as 25pc of their pot tax-free, up to a cap of £268,275.

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I have pretty much emptied my penion pot. I took maximum out last august after Labour won and then more I bit the bullet and removed more this May. Having heard rumblings even before they came into office I made sure I wasn't going to give those barstewards a penny more then I needed. As it stands, I will pay very little tax now, because my pension pot wasn't perticularly big in the first place. It now sits in PM's (made a massive killing there!). Son is kacking it at the moment because he has been piling money into his pension just in case the slash the tax free allowance while overpaying his mortgage.

amicisimma · 15/09/2025 10:35

GabrielsOboe · 15/09/2025 08:41

Anything and everything legitimate that causes this government to come to grief, I applaud.

Personally, I am happy to take the pain, in the knowledge that it’s one step closer to this wretched government collapsing.

I am reluctant to use the word, but our own government has commenced hostilities towards many of us.

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"I am reluctant to use the word, but our own government has commenced hostilities towards many of us."

The Guardian is reporting that Sir Keir Starmer says 'Britain will never surrender flag to far-right protesters'.

While I agree that our flag shouldn't be thought to belong to any group, 'surrender' is an interesting choice of word to use about part of one's electorate.

GabrielsOboe · 15/09/2025 10:39

amicisimma · 15/09/2025 10:35

"I am reluctant to use the word, but our own government has commenced hostilities towards many of us."

The Guardian is reporting that Sir Keir Starmer says 'Britain will never surrender flag to far-right protesters'.

While I agree that our flag shouldn't be thought to belong to any group, 'surrender' is an interesting choice of word to use about part of one's electorate.

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Yes - Starmer is creating a fictitious enemy, and a siege mentality.

Putin would be proud.

GabrielsOboe · 15/09/2025 10:40

upseedaisee · 15/09/2025 10:03

I have pretty much emptied my penion pot. I took maximum out last august after Labour won and then more I bit the bullet and removed more this May. Having heard rumblings even before they came into office I made sure I wasn't going to give those barstewards a penny more then I needed. As it stands, I will pay very little tax now, because my pension pot wasn't perticularly big in the first place. It now sits in PM's (made a massive killing there!). Son is kacking it at the moment because he has been piling money into his pension just in case the slash the tax free allowance while overpaying his mortgage.

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Understandable.

Leave nothing behind except scorched earth.

EasternStandard · 15/09/2025 10:49

amicisimma · 15/09/2025 10:35

"I am reluctant to use the word, but our own government has commenced hostilities towards many of us."

The Guardian is reporting that Sir Keir Starmer says 'Britain will never surrender flag to far-right protesters'.

While I agree that our flag shouldn't be thought to belong to any group, 'surrender' is an interesting choice of word to use about part of one's electorate.

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I noticed that too re ‘surrender’

Rivalled · 15/09/2025 10:52

Oh it’s bantam weight attempt to channel Churchill isn’t it? We will fight them on the beaches etc.

Julen7 · 15/09/2025 10:54

EasternStandard · 15/09/2025 10:49

I noticed that too re ‘surrender’

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Them and us is it Starmer? Two can play that game.

Rivalled · 15/09/2025 10:57

It’s in keeping with their patriots fighting for the working man rhetoric isn’t it? Bloody hell their comms reboot seems to be some let’s pretend we’re the first Labour govt post war with a dash of Churchill thrown in.

im loving the idea of a bunch of middle class London Labour comms gurus coming up with this stuff.

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TheNuthatch · 15/09/2025 10:59

Julen7 · 15/09/2025 10:54

Them and us is it Starmer? Two can play that game.

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This made me smile on a gloomy Monday morning 😁

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twistyizzy · 15/09/2025 10:59

Rivalled · 15/09/2025 10:57

It’s in keeping with their patriots fighting for the working man rhetoric isn’t it? Bloody hell their comms reboot seems to be some let’s pretend we’re the first Labour govt post war with a dash of Churchill thrown in.

im loving the idea of a bunch of middle class London Labour comms gurus coming up with this stuff.

🤣🤣

twistyizzy · 15/09/2025 11:24

Danny Kruger defected to Reform.
As with any defection I believe it should trigger a bi-election. Not sure who is leading in his constituency, most likely Reform if that's who he has defected to!

CaveMum · 15/09/2025 11:28

X-posted with you there @twistyizzy

Absentosaur · 15/09/2025 11:29

Over 9 billion pounds raised? Public finances restored? Promised made and promise fulfilled? They’ve gaslit the public from the beginning. 🤢

Oh dear. I’d say find a new CotE too but they’ve got no one. Maybe a Job Centre advert is needed. Salary and perks. Lies on CV acceptable.

🤷‍♀️

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x98arrk?retry

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CaveMum · 15/09/2025 11:31

Don’t know about latest polling, but East Wiltshire was a pretty safe Tory seat in 2024:

Conservative 35.7%
Labour 25.7%
Lib Dems 17.4%
Reform 16.7%

Absentosaur · 15/09/2025 11:33

CaveMum · 15/09/2025 11:28

Danny Kruger has defected to Reform, currently working as a shadow minister in Work & Pensions.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce802dmgnyro

Prue Leiths son. Eton educated. No great loss to the conservatives.

upseedaisee · 15/09/2025 11:33

Rivalled · 15/09/2025 10:57

It’s in keeping with their patriots fighting for the working man rhetoric isn’t it? Bloody hell their comms reboot seems to be some let’s pretend we’re the first Labour govt post war with a dash of Churchill thrown in.

im loving the idea of a bunch of middle class London Labour comms gurus coming up with this stuff.

And yet, An elderly, retired Paratrooper is in court in Northern Ireland accused of 2 counts of murder and 5 counts of attempted murder. This is only going forward bcause this Labour government stopped in it's tracks the Protection against vexatious claims for UK armed forces personnel and veterans. Hardly patriotic is it?

Upstartled · 15/09/2025 11:43

CaveMum · 15/09/2025 11:31

Don’t know about latest polling, but East Wiltshire was a pretty safe Tory seat in 2024:

Conservative 35.7%
Labour 25.7%
Lib Dems 17.4%
Reform 16.7%

The YouGov MRP polling in June looks a lot tighter than that, Conservatives lead with 28% and Reform in 27%. So It could be a tactical, self preservation move given Tories have lost a little ground even since then.