Labour isn't working - Thread 8

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Yep 🎯

Agree. Burnham could easily lose a by-election in the current climate. You're right about him being tainted by the GG scandal, and also the mid Staffs scandal when he was health secretary.

This is Labour's biggest issue: lack of credible MPs. They are either shit or in the shit.

DT

Labour’s benefits rebels have backed Andy Burnham in his challenge to Sir Keir Starmer’s leadership of the party.

MPs who defeated the Prime Minister’s attempts at welfare reform told The Telegraph it was clear “this administration is coming to an end” and that Labour voters on the doorstep were calling for a new party leader.

They are among MPs who have backed the Greater Manchester Mayor after his allies set up Mainstream, a new soft-Left campaign group.
He is expected to explicitly criticise Sir Keir at Labour’s annual party conference later this month, calling for a “reset” to help Labour win the next general election.

Mr Burnham, who would have to regain a seat in the Commons, is laying the groundwork for a leadership bid as speculation mounts that Sir Keir will not make it to the next public vote.
The Prime Minister is facing warnings from within his party that he is “supping in the last-chance saloon” because of how he handled Lord Mandelson’s sacking as US ambassador and the resignation of Angela Rayner as deputy prime minister.

He is under pressure to spell out what he knew about Lord Mandelson’s relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and why he appointed him despite being presented with a Cabinet Office file about the peer’s links to the late convicted paedophile.
The Prime Minister will face questions about the scandal on Monday as he seeks to revive his “reset” ahead of this week’s state visit by Donald Trump, announcing US-UK deals to build nuclear plants in Britain as part of a “golden age” of clean energy.

Night, night!

What’s the plan with no welfare reforms surely the bill can’t keep rising

The trouble Starmer’s got with Trump’s visit - leaving aside the unpleasant fiasco of our (former, very recent) ambassador to Washington DC - is that the people he needs to keep happy, like backbenchers and die-hard Labour voters, will bristle at the sight of him glad handing Trump.

It’s a shit show for Starmer.

I’m reserving my pity for all the people who’ve been terrified by the rumours of what the budget will mean, their education and welfare plans and those they have managed to make happen so far.

it is quite a lot of people. Starmer and his family have their sense of moral superiority to keep them warm and well rested.

nobody can ever look as though they have gravitas whilst pandering to Trump 😂

This. They swept into office and stuffed the pensioners and private schools within days, although I admit the WFP needed tweaking, it was unfair to remove it for pretty much every pensioner. The way which Reeves announced the VAT on private education actually made me feel ill. She was almost wetting herself glee and that gurning smile on her face as she did it is something that will stay with me forever.
It's just gone downhill from there. Fiddling with this a faffing with that, it's all just a shambles and caused untold pain. If they REALLY want to help the workers and retirees, simply raise the lower income tax rate to 20% There would then be no need to universal credit top ups for workers and it would then be easy to target the less well off pensioners. But no, they give then take it away agin if you earn X. Talk about making a pigs ear of it.

And me. VAT on school fees and the removal of business rate relief for private schools has meant that educating our DCs is becoming unsustainable. My oldest one is in GCSE year and he has very significant SEN. His school was chosen carefully. We are hoping we can hang on long enough to get him through but it's white knuckled. I am literally having sleepless nights over it.

Then watching my friends, former colleagues etc and their workplaces collapsing. Plus the fear of all the other hikes that will hit us as the squeezed middle.

Labour MP droning on about ‘inherited’ this morning. I had to tell Alexa to stop. Honestly is anyone buying this nonsense, it’s painful.

FFS they still peddling that?

So it's still the fault of Tories? Labour are a laughing stock and yet they still trying to blame everyone else 😆

Yet! They have told us the foundations have been fixed, the reset worked and they are moving on to whatever iteration of ineptitude comes next. So by their own admission everything the Tories broke is fixed and from here on in, it's down to their incompetence.

Anything and everything legitimate that causes this government to come to grief, I applaud.

Personally, I am happy to take the pain, in the knowledge that it’s one step closer to this wretched government collapsing.

I am reluctant to use the word, but our own government has commenced hostilities towards many of us.

This 100%. I feel the same.

Sorry to hear of your worries
I really hope that this cruel policy is reversed quickly when we have a change of government. It won't help those in the thick of it right now though.

I heard Jacqui Smith this morning. Everything is fine apparently. The arrogance of them

1000s of parents are in same situation, a situation caused by the Government. They chose to tax the education of children and SEND children over taxing vapes/gambling etc. BP, Rayner etc sat there cackling with glee.
The court even found it breached HRA yet they still went ahead. For a HR lawyer that's disgraceful.
Nasty, spiteful group of ideologues.
Karma is a bitch though, 1 down 3 still to get.

They will be doubling down on the propoganda now ie "all fine nothing to see here". It's the only mechanism they have. Spend more taxpayer money on trying to gaslight the taxpayers that everything is fine.

Newspeak.
Big Brother in action.

Yep.

@twistyizzythe question was why is Starmer doing badly?

Labour MP didn’t catch the name started with that droning ‘well we inherited… ‘ I didn’t get past that, did the oh fuck off and had to turn it off.

The gaslighting is too much.

Meanwhile, behavioural economics in action:

Older homeowners unlock £636m from their properties to avoid inheritance tax.

Tax-free pension lump sum withdrawals surge 61%.

Two of Britain’s most prominent pension experts have said they are planning to raid their savings pots amid fears Chancellor Rachel Reeves could slash the tax-free lump sum.

Tom McPhail, pension scheme trustee and retirement expert, and Stephen Lowe, at annuity firm Just Group, are considering the radical move as fears grow of another pensions tax raid in Rachel Reeves’s November Budget.

Among the policies being considered is a cut to the tax-free pension lump sum which could raise as much as £2bn a year. At present, savers aged 55 and over can withdraw as much as 25pc of their pot tax-free, up to a cap of £268,275.

A different MP not under any comms restrictions presumably

Speaking to the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, Mr Burgon said: “There’ll be elections in the Scottish Parliament, elections in the Welsh Senedd, elections in London, elections right across the country.

“And the opinion polls at the moment suggest that as it stands it’s going to be a disaster. And I think it is inevitable that if May’s elections go as people predict and as the opinion polls predict, then I think Starmer will be gone at that time.”

Well exactly.
Taxation changes behaviour. A 12 Yr old knows those, Reeves seemingly doesn't

Who are these pension experts? (I would like to read them!)