Labour isn't working - Thread 8

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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What I'd really like would be for this murder to be the catalyst which gives people the courage to call out the woke fuckwittery where unthinking idiots brand any opinion they don't like with inflammatory hyperbole like 'fascist' or 'nazi' or 'racist'.or 'scum'

If every politician - Left, Right, and Centre - called it out calmly, politely but firmly (and certainly refrained from doing it themselves, Rayner and Lammy ffs !!!)... and every commentator and influencer too... then it might just change the vitriol and political anger, snd give our society a cats chance in hell of survival.

Ok, fair enough.

Burnham is ramping up to challenge Starmer, perhaps as early as next May. He's set to criticise him at the conference and he's cosying up to Lucy Dog Whistle Powell as he forges alliegence. Brace for more wealth tax heckling.

I can't help but laugh when I hear socialists and lefties lose it and start the name calling of any conservative a nazi or fascist, or even liken them to Hitler. I think they forget that the fascist movement (Including Hitler and Mussolini) were in fact left of centre just like sociast/Labour in their beliefs!
Methinks they all need a damn good history lesson.

The Times are reporting that Starmer knew about the "damning" emails before PMQ's on Wednesday. I don't think he's going to last much longer as PM.

Can Burnham become leader if he isnt an MP?

No idea. However it's going to be a white male. Labour can't comprehend anything else.

Yeh I think he's a gonna too now

Grauniad this morning however I don't think it's a plot. Starmer has plotted his own demose by being a shit PM. He hasn't got the skills required or an original thought in his head

https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2025/sep/13/can-keir-survive-inside-the-plot-to-bring-down-the-prime-minister

Yeah, it would be messy though, it's allowable but not at all usual. There's some precedent, Douglas-Home came via the HoL and then dropped the peerage and hopped over to MP via a bi-election.

Blimey. If he does it’ll be a bit goes around comes around from trying to benefit from the tide which got rid of Boris Johnson.

Karma

By-election!🤣

I can't help wondering if there will be an et tu, Brute? moment at the Labour Conference. He's lost his gatekeeper and with no-one in the deputy leader post for the conference, he's going to have a tough time of it. In all honesty, this all couldn't have happened at a better time, it's almost as if it's been orchestrated(hmmmm).
I now know for definite, the popcorn function on my microwave will not cope, I may have to spring for beer as well.

It’s worth noting that there is some reporting coming out that Charlie Kirk’s killer came from a die-hard MAGA family and there are rumours he was a follower of Nick Fuentes (nope, never heard of him either) who believes Charlie Kirk was not right-wing enough.

Time will tell and, hopefully, the truth will out, but we all need to be very careful about jumping to conclusions as to the motivations and apportioning blame one way or the other.

Forgive me if I'm being dense here, but couldn't Starmer just stop Burnham gaining a peerage, or block him from standing in a by election?
I'm not aux fait with how the Labour Party works.

Now there's a thing. How would it work if a labour MP stepped down from a dyed in the wool Labour seat (Maybe Brighton and Hove?) specifically to allow Andy Burnham to be helipcoptered in. Would that then put him in a position to fight for leader?

🤣🤣
I suspect a lot more people will be watching conference than normal!

And Astra Zeneca pull out of yet more investment in the UK

AstraZeneca pauses £200m Cambridge investment https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cderlg227j4o

I haven't read or heard any of those rumours. I'm sure there are lots of theories swirling around. As you say, hopefully the truth will out. We do know for certain that the bullet casings were engraved - hey fascist, catch.
All I know is that a young man was brutally murdered for wrong think.

Yeah, if he won a by election, he could stand to be leader presumably. But surely his candidacy would be in Starmer's gift?

After the way Astra Zeneca was treated over the Covid debacle, it's hardly surprising they have lost confidence and taken their business elsewhere. I posted yesterday Merck had pulled out of London, it's not looking good is it?

It's despicable that Labour aren't fighting to keep them in UK. Its gross misconduct

R4 saying he won't last until next Summer

Blimey, the knives are out.

Labour have no leg to stand on now calling Tory rule "chaos". This government is nothing but chaos