Thread 32 Starmer - Corn Moon

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For some people 'thick' just means 'from a political party I did not vote for'. The grapes are still sour.

Hmm. Not sure. I think it means 'black' in some people's cases, in all honesty. See also, Diane Abbott.

Lammy -first black Briton to attend Harvard Law School [Masters of law] thick

Abbott - first black woman elected to UK Parliament thick

Of course not "my party" And black = really, really thick in some circles. Even discovering the nature of dark matter wouldn't put that to bed.

I agree with that too. Also 'doesn't speak posh'.

I agree with this idea up to a point. The issue with equality of sentencing is that it doesn’t really acknowledge a ln issue about criminal offending which is that most crime is committed by men under 25 and the custodial threshold which is usually passed because of seriousness is connected to the harm done. Statistically you cannot get away from the fact that this cohort of offenders who are male and young are more violent than any other group in society. When they enter the criminal justice system system their crimes are more harmful than other groups. The fact they have families or children in these circumstances does not outweigh the vet real harm and fear they cause. Women are far less likely to be convicted of violent crime or be assessed as being likely to be dangerous. The reason judges hand out prison is largely because of these factors.

Not one of our chaps = wrong school ?lacking in PS confidence/self-assurance

makes them appear thick in their terms of reference

Pointy it was definitely the flapjacks hope you feel be much better very soon💐
I’m worth saving this time as well, was in dunelm perusing bed linen.

Sadly they damage their children - for boys having father or brother in prison are biggest risk factors for future offending

Apart from an even higher risk with a mother in prison

Evenstar beautiful dress goes so well with your hair jewellery & colour.

Concerning recidivism within the female prison estate albeit from AI: "while overall reoffending rates among women are lower than men, those women who do reoffend have a higher number of repeat offences per reoffender compared to men, particularly following short prison sentences. Factors contributing to this cycle include complex needs like trauma and mental health issues, limited access to education and employment opportunities on release, and a lack of effective community-based support and rehabilitation services."

Short term prison sentences are the key factor for both male and female offenders regarding recidivism, but it affects females more.

Evenstar, you looked gorgeous.
We all got our alerts except ds1. It turns out he had switched it off in his settings.

It's surely no secret that ol' Nige wants to increase the (rich) foreigners coming to the UK. It was in an interview or speech recently. He craftily slipped it out so that when it happens, he can remind his base that it's what they were told. I suspect a careful trawl through his opinings will find similar plausible denials about the Brexit everyone has forgotten was his lifes work.

The level of a mother's education is also the highest predictor of future outcomes for children.

I believe Abbott was also the first British born Black woman at Cambridge.

Agree! Really beautiful.

This just gives rise to the right wing belief that a woman has to be highly educated to have well balanced children whilst at the same time sacrificing their earning potential. So outdated.

The problem lies with the care system and the treatment and opportunities young girls get as opposed to young boys. It's sharply unequal in terms of recidivism for females.

Whilst there are some overlapping issues experienced by men and women prisoners, there are some particular problems for women eg a higher proportion of suicides and frightening rates of still births. Some aspects are highlighted in this paper.
Prison Reform Trust paper

Yes, I know it can be used that way but it also sacks off the RW belief that children are massively harmed when they are brought up just by their mother. It also illustrates that highly educated women are very important for society.

The first Black woman to receive a degree from an Oxbridge university was Kofoworola Ademola (née Moore), who graduated from the University of Oxford in 1935 with a degree in English Literature, studying at St Hugh's College.

The first Black woman to receive a degree from Cambridge was likely Gloria Carpenter, who studied law at Girton College in 1945.

IDK @Piggywaspushed think these 2 women above were ?African not Black British

Maternity care in prisons is shocking.

Not sure tbh. DA was certainly a pioneer. First ( with others) cohort of Black MPs in government too.

Interesting on Black Cantabs

https://www.cam.ac.uk/stories/black-cantabs

It's almost as if black women don't have intelligence and intellect. Of course those excellent examples were probably supported by both parents. Family is key. As is recognising that intelligent children should be given a chance for getting to the top. Michelle Obama is a recent example.

It reminds me of the education of women in nobility during medieval times, when parents knew their daughters were bright and intelligent - they promoted their education to the best and they often were more astute than their male peers.

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