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Thread 32 Starmer - Corn Moon

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DuncinToffee · 06/09/2025 11:34

Pull up a chair for some friendly chit chat about politics and beyond

Taxes optional but greatly appreciated.

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BIWI · 14/09/2025 16:40

I really don’t think we can ignore this though.

DuncinToffee · 14/09/2025 16:42

Why should Starmer call a snap election? Madness imo

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PandoraSocks · 14/09/2025 16:42

placemats · 14/09/2025 16:17

Snap general election call? Utter nonsense.

I was just musing on the idea. I'd be tempted though, if I was Starmer. Imagine if it paid off and he won again.

SerendipityJane · 14/09/2025 16:45

PandoraSocks · 14/09/2025 16:34

The only road to an election before July 2029 is a vote of no confidence in the commons

No, the PM can call a GE whenever they like. Remember Theresa May's surprise GE?

My bad. I should have said the only credible road to an election.

PandoraSocks · 14/09/2025 16:45

DuncinToffee · 14/09/2025 16:42

Why should Starmer call a snap election? Madness imo

I have probably watched a Very British Coup (the Ray McAnally version) too many times 😅

In all seriousness, I think Starmer is toast.

Karistyleaftea · 14/09/2025 16:45

@DuncinToffee I completely agree.
We had enough of that with the Tory lot.
Also, what do you think the media would do with that?
I think people keep underestimating Sir Keir Starmer because there is a vile agenda at play currently in this country.

DuncinToffee · 14/09/2025 16:46

Even during partygate, we didn't call for a GE

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SerendipityJane · 14/09/2025 16:48

DuncinToffee · 14/09/2025 16:42

Why should Starmer call a snap election? Madness imo

Exactly.

However it suits a lot of agendas to pretend there is some magical special way to bypass this, as it feeds into the narrative that with all the press about the UK on the brink of total revolution, Starmer being in power is somehow an affront to democracy.

To be fair we had pretty much the same after Johnson.

DuncinToffee · 14/09/2025 16:49

Starmer is toast is very much media talk. He can't win with them.

McSweeny should be toast though

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SerendipityJane · 14/09/2025 16:50

PandoraSocks · 14/09/2025 16:45

I have probably watched a Very British Coup (the Ray McAnally version) too many times 😅

In all seriousness, I think Starmer is toast.

Mrs Thatcher was also toast in 1980, as I recall. She really had to go.

bombastix · 14/09/2025 16:50

I think we need to acknowledge some ugly things about the UK. Probably the previous election where Johnson won had a tacit understanding between the Conservatives and UKIP as it was then that they wouldn’t compete. And that was because UKIP wanted immigration reform. They did not stand against the Tories for that reason only.

As it turns out, not only did that tacit idea turn out to be wrong but that Johnson tripled the rate of legal migration into the country. Cue lots of attempts to focus on asylum seekers because these migration rates were supporting public and private interests. Distraction and lies.

The imagined Brexit dividend never came with increased wages, better housing and for some, a more “English” England which was never explicit but is now.

It was always there - but now with a left wing government, a Conservative leader who is to a racist the wrong colour, and no sotto racism possible, poverty and all promises broken, it is exploding. Yes there is money backing it. But it was always there, and until people across the board, not just the top 20 percent of the country, feel better off it will grow because people will feel they can get something for them. Some of those marchers will be dyed in the wool racists. A lot more of them will be hopeless people.

bombastix · 14/09/2025 16:50

Edit - posted twice

PandoraSocks · 14/09/2025 16:54

DuncinToffee · 14/09/2025 16:49

Starmer is toast is very much media talk. He can't win with them.

McSweeny should be toast though

That's the last time I post my idle Sunday afternoon musings!

I am just fed up with it all. It is going to go on and on like this. My saying Starmer is toast is not media talk, it is how I personally feel. If he can turn things around, no-one will be more thrilled than me.

SerendipityJane · 14/09/2025 16:59

but now with a left wing government,

Where ? We are talking about the UK.

PandoraSocks · 14/09/2025 16:59

SerendipityJane · 14/09/2025 16:50

Mrs Thatcher was also toast in 1980, as I recall. She really had to go.

Would she have actually ended up being toasted if it wasn't for the Falklands?

SerendipityJane · 14/09/2025 17:01

The imagined Brexit dividend never came

There was never going to be one. Even now, painting it as some sort of "lost cause" (again, a phrase I use with a very deep sense of history) is continuing to pander to the numbnuts who thought it was actually possible.

SerendipityJane · 14/09/2025 17:02

PandoraSocks · 14/09/2025 16:59

Would she have actually ended up being toasted if it wasn't for the Falklands?

A very salient point. And very likely true. Certain afterwards she became pretty much impregnable until she started believing her own hype.

SerendipityJane · 14/09/2025 17:03

I am just fed up with it all.

I can join you in that.

bombastix · 14/09/2025 17:07

I’m not saying these things were realistic. But I think people really did believe Johnson and his sunlit uplands stuff. I didn’t, but still… this sense of betrayal is easily written

I take it back about a left wing government. Say Labour PM

dontcallmelen · 14/09/2025 17:13

SerendipityJane · 14/09/2025 17:03

I am just fed up with it all.

I can join you in that.

Same here, I’ve spent the day hoovering the tops of wardrobes cleaning light fittings & sorting out the loft I feared if I didn’t keep myself busy I would be rocking & crying in a corner I dunno I’m starting to this I should wrap myself in tin foil seems as though some very dark forces are at play & the media/journalists aren’t helping

its as though the previous incumbents & fourteen years of mostly incompetence/corruption has been collectively wiped from conciseness.

SerendipityJane · 14/09/2025 17:13

bombastix · 14/09/2025 17:07

I’m not saying these things were realistic. But I think people really did believe Johnson and his sunlit uplands stuff. I didn’t, but still… this sense of betrayal is easily written

I take it back about a left wing government. Say Labour PM

I really can't be responsible for other peoples wanton stupidity.And as I get older and closer to the welcome embrace of death, I really have no fucks to give for people who - despite every single possible fact indicating otherwise - chose to believe in free lunches.

DuncinToffee · 14/09/2025 17:13

Don't stop posting your musings or feelings, it's understandable to feel fed up and want better.

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dontcallmelen · 14/09/2025 17:19

Apologies for spag I’m tired & my grasp of spelling etc gets even worse than it normally is.

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 14/09/2025 17:22

DuncinToffee · 14/09/2025 16:42

Why should Starmer call a snap election? Madness imo

I agree - there would only be one of two results
A failure to get a Labour majority OR
A massively reduced Labour majority.
Either would be a Kamikaze move.
I may not be impressed by Starmer but I don't think he's that daft.
Labour really need to pull their fingers out - define some sensible strategies and policies and get FAR better comms. Political suicide isn't an option.

SerendipityJane · 14/09/2025 17:27

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 14/09/2025 17:22

I agree - there would only be one of two results
A failure to get a Labour majority OR
A massively reduced Labour majority.
Either would be a Kamikaze move.
I may not be impressed by Starmer but I don't think he's that daft.
Labour really need to pull their fingers out - define some sensible strategies and policies and get FAR better comms. Political suicide isn't an option.

People forget how long 2019 to 2024 was. We have a good 3 years before an election. In that time in 2019-2024 we;d had COVID and a "surprise" (to who ?) Russian invasion plus the complexities of Brexit.

I am old enough to remember when Harold Wilsons resignation meant we were in for a Conservative government in 1976. And the Labour government then had no majority.

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