How to deal with the flag flying

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This bloke has got it right! I'm going to order a bunch of other flags and put them on the local lamp posts that the neighbourhood racists are monopolising!

Racist to suggest that their political beliefs are determined by their ethnicity. Yes.

Flags should be flown on flag poles. No cheap TEMU flags stuck on lamp posts. They look like they are halfmast.
I think it is disrespectful to the flag and country.
Having a union flag as a door mat is unpatriotic.
Wrapping yourself in the flag, swearing snd staggering about with a pint is disrespectful to the flag and country.
Painting crosses on roundabouts is vandslism and disrespectful to the flag and country.
Shouting vile abuse to vulnerable people is disrespectful.
Wrapped in the flag taunting people who are British just because they are a different colour is disrespectful to the flag and country. It is morally wrong.
All the above is unpatriotic.

If you want to be patriotic about a flag. Treat it with respect. Get a flag poles and a British made flag.

Be patriotic and abide by our laws. Respect one another. Don't vandalise signs etc.

Be respectful of all people an the flag.

Where did I mention anyone's political beliefs (apart from those promoting and stirring the unrest?)

If people had been flying flags for years then yes fine but it is the reason and meaning behind this that is the problem

I have been thinking of buying St George flags with "Fuck Reform, Fuck Racism" written across the middle.

Omg there is nothing racist about flags. The problem is the reason people are suddenly flying them and what that symbolises. How hard is it for people to understand?

Fly the union flag if you want to be patriotic.

You dismissed the idea that @borgqueen 's neighbour might have put up a Union flag as a political act. The implication is that due to their ethnicity, they couldn't possibly be part of the current grassroots political movement which the flags represent - driven by people who feel that none of the existing political parties are listening to their concerns and priorities. It's a movement separate from Reform, but Reform comes from the same roots.

You don't like those priorities - and you are contemptuous of the people who hold them - so you pretend it's racism. Perhaps you're so unable to consider any viewpoint other than your own that you actually even believe it is.

There are some racists involved in the protests - and Reform - yes. Just as there are some anti-semites in Labour. But in both parties, most supporters aren't.

Personally, I wouldn't vote for either Reform or Labour. Firstly, I don't think either have much of a clue about economics. But also, I don't trust the leadership of either not to use populist racism and anti-semitism respectively for their own benefit ('Your' party has probably siphoned off most of the anti-semites, but I think it runs too deep to be completely gone. Although Starmer has obviously tried) Both are as bad as each other.

But I don't judge people who vote Reform - or put up flags - as racist. Surely you don’t really believe that 28% of the UK have suddenly become racist, do you?!?

And I don't judge people who vote Labour as anti-semitic.

I recognise that people have different political opinions to me. That they might support a political movement like Labour or Reform for genuine reasons.

That respect for others peoples political opinions - even when they are different from your own - is fundamental to a democracy. You should try it.

Well that's very tolerant and democratic of you, isn't it 🤔

I can’t believe how the flag lovers cannot see how the media (including social media) and government have completely manipulated their perception of immigration! They have perfectly placed the immigrant as the root of everyone’s problems. The perfect scapegoat to distract from the real problems in our country.

How can you not see how they consistently use negative language and frame migrants as threats to justify harsh policies and distract from the real societal issues. Smacks so much of how many were manipulated in the same way before Brexit.

Never do they talk about the fact that we need their contributions! Immigration (of all kinds) leads to a better economy for the UK, keeps our public services running and so much more. This is never mentioned is it?

Perfect to cause division and vulnerability within communities 🙄

The St George's Flag was co-opted decades ago by thugs and racists, hooligans, the National Front. Those saying it's just our country's flag either have the luxury of choosing to ignore its racist connotations or actually like those connotations. It hasn't just meant 'England' for years and Nigel Frogface knows it. It's like using the word gay and pretending it still means jolly and bright only that just makes you look stupid not stupid AND racist.

And I can't believe that anyone can look at how immigration numbers have changed over the last 15 years and not realise that there's a serious and immediate problem. That this has nothing to do with racism. And everything to do with 1 million immigrants a year into a population of 68 million not being sustainable.

What do you think the UK will be like if that level of immigration continued for another 10 years time? In 10 years time, 1 in 7 of the population would have arrived in the UK after today. Do you really think our culture, our society can survive that?

Yes, immigration at a certain level - and bringing in the right people - is great and healthy for our country. And our friends and colleagues are wonderful. That's not what anyone's concerned about.

without it, we’d be a nation of inbred, gammon-faced, Brexit-loving imbeciles just like them.

Lovely. You're really showing your open-mindedness and tolerance.

Birth rates are declining and the population is ageing. We need more people so the figures you're giving are more than sustainable, they're desirable.

I'm not somebody who cares about the number of people not being born here in 10, 20, or 100 years' time because I don't see why it matters, but even if I were, do I think our culture can survive that? Yes I do, because our culture has been a hotchpotch of those who invaded us and those we invaded for literally thousands of years. That is who we are as a culture. If you're not taking about race here as I suspect you are, which elements of our culture are not already based on being a country of immigrants since pre-1066?

Not racist at all

Unless you have been in coma for a few years and only just awoken, you would or at least should KNOW that mainly Fascists, the uneducated and the elderly longing to go back to the good old days, are flying the flags. This is not going to end well for this country.

I don't see any issues with people flying the national flag.

Like all political movements there is undesirable views and people but the majority of people flying the flags and the majority of the people supporting the movement are not 'fascists or racist'.

I find it funny how people can be so offended by a flag of the country they reside in.

If we lived in a country where we flew them on the regular like many other European countries, the USA, Canada etc, I’d not bat an eyelid. It’s very obvious what is happening, only many don’t realise the clever and cunning ways that people are being influenced these days into encourage these behaviours. It’s a slippery slope.

I'm not too bothered by the flags , it's probably a flash in the pan anyway , but i don't think your comment is fair , there will be plenty of patriotic people flying the flag who certainly aren't fascists, and some who have just about had enough with this government and all the other issues our country is facing.

Sounds like I’ve hit a nerve..

You have all got the wrong idea - nobody cares about legal migration, it’s the illegal migrants inverted fighting age wandering around villages and towns if the Government don’t get a firm grip of it one way or another Reform are going to sweep the board. Don’t go on about who is going to care for us in old age - I certainly don’t want an Afghan man showering me in the morning! You make me laugh!

Then report the post to HQ who will determine whether the poster is genuine

You lost me at “fighting age”. 🙄

On this very thread, there is someone complaining about 1 million migrants a year - the vast majority of which ARE legal migrants. So there are many people who DO believe that legal migrants shouldn’t be here and are a threat to our culture.

They just don’t want foreigners here, end of story. Please don’t pretend that this isn’t happening.