How to deal with the flag flying

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This bloke has got it right! I'm going to order a bunch of other flags and put them on the local lamp posts that the neighbourhood racists are monopolising!

Of course not! That's decidedly practical and therefore uncool. There's no virtue signalling to be had in realism.

So you think that an asylum seeker, crammed three or four to a room; given £49 a WEEK for food, clothes, personal items, transport, haircuts and everything else they need; not being allowed to work is actually much better off than a native British person? Seriously?

Yes we have homeless people living on our streets. There are complex reasons why they’re homeless (I have worked with them). Most have been housed and evicted many times because their lives are too chaotic to cope with the responsibility of having a home. Even when placed in hostels (which is similar accommodation to asylum seekers) they choose to leave, or get kicked out for not sticking to the rules. And those living in hostels receive far more in benefits than an asylum seeker.

And if these people are economic migrants they should be returned. And if they’re genuine asylum seekers they should have the right to stay. If they are given leave to remain it is a massive step up from living in asylum limbo. But even then, they’ll be in exactly the same position as those kicking off. They’ll face the same housing shortages, the same low wages, entitled to the same benefits, pay the same taxes. They won’t be any better off than UK nationals.

The government wastes insane amounts of money; many, many times more than we spend on asylum hotels. The cost of the HS2 debacle would cover almost 20 years of asylum hotels. What about the £30B wasted on the useless ‘Test and Trace’ app, or the £10B the government wrote off for substandard PPE.

The cost of asylum is a drop in the ocean compared to what governments waste on an annual basis. By all means be angry - but channel that anger towards the people who deserve it.

It's not about native homeless people. You are completely ignoring that swathes of people in this country and struggling to pay major bills and balance the books. People in employment, some with decent salaries.

'Only' £49 p/w times how many? It's not just one person is it? Almost £200 p/m might be extremely helpful to someone who is feeling stressed about funding their heating bill this winter or having to cut down on food because the prices have skyrocketed.

@Nestingbirds I said the complete opposite. I would fund none of it British born or migrant. You’re welcome to come to the UK to work but you must find a job + somewhere to stay be that 10 to a room no free money or accommodation. But I would apply the same to British born, you only get something out of the system if you actively pay in, transforming it into something more like income protection insurance.

The economic migrants should not be housed in four star hotels (and many are) and not paid to stay here. That would end the incentive to come here overnight. They should be offered three basic meals and nothing more. And quite frankly yes they definitely do have it better than many people that actually live here! The very fact you do not know shows how wildly out of touch you are. Blaming homeless people for being homeless is really disgusting.

You are basically saying because there is other government waste, therefore we can just keep adding to it by billions and billions . How does that make any sense? Where is your sense of responsibility to the people that live here? You do realise we can’t keep spending and spending? That already the cost of borrowing is rocketing already and is nearly at a thirty year high?

When this country completely collapses under the strain I’m sure you will be the first to post on here about how awful it is, without realising that you are causing this. We can’t help anyone if we sink as a country - so please wake up and see what is actually happening on the ground.

I agree, but in reality how do you enforce that?

@Nestingbirds have you actually been to any of these so called 4 star hotels? I wouldn’t put a dog in any of the Britannia chain in all honesty - they are dropping to bits and I’ve stayed in a few over the years for cheapness reasons when needed -

@Nestingbirds

How long do we have to listen to these myths? They aren’t housed in four star hotels. They don’t get access to pools, spas, restaurants, room service or have rooms with a minibar or towelling robes, or anything else that would earn a hotel a four star rating. The hotels are literally stripped of the bells and whistles. It’s one star accommodation - a shared basic bedroom and bathroom.

Star ratings are based on amenities not the building itself.

What a disgusting entitled person you are if you wouldn’t put a dog in a four star hotel. Staggeringly out of touch is all I can say.

Have you asked the local homeless man if he has stayed in any four star hotels recently?

Seriously! He gets one option to sleep in a dangerous overcrowded hostel where it is safer to actually sleep outside. How in gods earth is that fair???

Some of you must be posting on here for fun because these posts are dangerously out of touch.

They shouldn’t be in ANY hotels!!! It is costing a fucking fortune. The situation is beyond ridiculous. The French are right, who wouldn’t want an all expenses paid holiday with a chance of a visa?!

@Nestingbirds which is why I feel we need to build specific reception centres, and I believe that is being done - the fact remains that they aren’t ’at will to roam freely or work etc’ with certain controls, so have to be put somewhere legally till they are processed,. The homeless situation isa different one altogether , legally - and yes that needs sorting too . You clearly have never visited one of these places though - the reason they are being used is tourists don’t want them - maybe if people hadn’t voted to make it that we no longer have an automatic right of return and hence much much lower numbers . You think these people don’t know that this is now the case?

I don’t think they should be ‘processed’ at all, they should be immediately deported back to their home country or a country of their choice. It should be illegal to accept anyone arriving in this way. Until that happens we won’t see any improvement at all, and it’s very likely things are going to get much worse.

There’s always a group to blame. A few years ago it was single mothers, then it was Polish workers who got the brunt.

Those in power want us squabbling to deflect attention away from the fact that their wealth is increasing year on year.

Or it might be that we as a nation, supposedly democratic, we have not given our consent for billions of our hard earned money to be spent this way? It’s immoral and unethical given the dire situation people are in here.

This is the only way. It's quite worrying that the right are more organised than the left, and that's only at drawing crap red crosses on things.

We're done for if we can't counter that quickly. What chance do we have when they start getting violent?

Well it might be best if the useless incompetent government we currently have pays attention to their own people and actually acts on the wishes of most of the nation. Which according to the latest YouGov poll is 70% of the country agrees immigration is far too high.

I’m London/Kent borders and they’re flying everywhere at the moment.

Lampposts, traffic lights, houses etc. I’m fine with it. I’m English and they’re my flag. 🤷‍♀️

They are not the reason for the dire situation 🙄🙄🙄

Why is immigration too high?

It is one of many issues to be precise but we are running out of housing stock, hospital space etc - it’s more to do with capacity.

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Immigrants pay extra for university, NHS, driving licenses.... they contribute lots.

Do you mean asylum seekers?

Not enough to cover their costs. And for Asylum seekers not at all.

Especially when you include the cost of dependents, who we don't impose skills/self-sufficiency requirements on (unlike sensible Denmark).

And even more when dependents bring in further dependents, in a cascde - which the UK is very unusual (self-sabotaging) in allowing.

I do wonder whether the disconnect on not realising how much most immigrants cost us all comes from people not realising that they themselves are also being subsidised by other tax payers - so they underestimate how much each person in the UK costs.

In order to be cost-neutral over their lifetime, an individual has to average £40k income over their working life. Any less than that, and other taxpayers are subsidising them. Only 20% of taxpayers are actually covering their own costs. Yep, we are a strongly socialist country, with huge amounts of redistribution, whatever line Lefties spin.

In addition, we all enjoy the benefit of infrastructure which was built by previous generations: houses, hospitals, schools, railways, roads. Those cost much less to maintain that the original building cost. So we get the benefit of them in return for far less of the 'value' we ourselves produce. As the population grows, we get a smaller share of that 'free' benefit (eg roads or hospitals become overcrowded, so more must be built. HS2 was more about capacity than speed).

Obviously some immigrants are covering their own costs. Absolutely no one objects to doctors, engineers, medical researchers etc coming here, of any nationality or race. In addition to their genuinely useful skills (from an education the UK didn't pay for) and sufficient tax-paying, that type of immigrant usually integrates well. They bring a spouse (who may well work - since highly educated people tend to marry the same) and children who will almost certainly go on to professional jobs themselves once they finish their UK education (given their highly intelligent, education-focused parents) The children will hopefully have put down enough roots to stay in the UK and be highly-contributing adult citizens (including paying back their own UK education in UK taxes). Huge win for the UK.

But a delivery driver (maybe came on a care visa, but did 6 months of caring work if that, since delivery driving is more lucrative) who brings a wife and 3 children, plus 2 adult children and their wives and kids. Wives don't speak English or ever work outside the home. Even if their kids follow UK averages, only 1 in 5 of them will pay enough tax to support themselves financially over their lifetimes. We really can't afford hundreds of thousands of those. Each one impoverishes us all.

It's mind-blowingly disingenuous to pretend that all immigrants are the same. Conflating those different types of immigrants makes any statistic a nonsense, and is deliberately misleading.

Why do you think people do that? What is their agenda?

What we need is intellectual honesty and a fundamental change to our immigration rules so that every single immigrant is a positive addition to the UK. That's really not unachievable - other countries do it. And it's definitely not racist.

An outstanding post ⬆️

I notice many of the posts championing high levels of immigration may be highly educated, but lack in depth understanding of how our country operates at a fiscal level, and seem to disregard entirely the costs of immigration. We are already an ageing population, with barely a sustainable pension as it is, this problem has only just started.

When one questions how open borders (which is pretty much where we are now) can actually be funded there is tumbleweed from these postersI.
I find the same happens when I question how do you house millions of arrivals, how do you expand the infrastructure at such a pace? The answer is that it is impossible.

It strikes me the very same people bleat on (rightly in my view) about the river and sea pollution without realising why the sewage is over flowing, and why the government can’t clamp down on the water companies. Our systems were not designed for 70 million plus.

None of our infrastructure on such a small island can cope with this over load. Maybe it’s not noticeable in the foothills of Scotland or Devon, and so they can be cheerfully indifferent to the impact, however the connection thei drop in their quality of life must surely be felt even in the most remote parts.

For those that live in areas where hooded men prowl the streets in packs, and intimidate and rape women and children, their lives must be truly unbearable, and unrecognisable.

We are allowed to say enough is enough, and mean it,

We are allowed to say this is our country, and we did not consent to such huge uncontrolleled levels of immigration, many of which are being carefully managed into the communities we live in or interested properly.

Labour are not going to last for much longer if they do not take immediate action on this, this will be their downfall unless Starmer gets a grip. Lavour will become entirely obsolete after this, and their voters will be absorbed by the Green Party, Corbyn’s nameless soulless party and reform.

We are in uncharted territory - and if we were French this would already be a full scale civil war by now.