Thread 31 Starmer - September Rain

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Pull up a chair for some friendly chit chat about politics and beyond

Taxes optional but greatly appreciated.

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I know, she has even discussed resigning with her family but sadly she cannot afford mistakes like this

The problem is, it's not a fair fight.

Boris Johnson still has to pay for his lying to parliament, if we're looking for people being held to account. Notice how we have already forgotten his lying to the Monarch and illegally proroguing parliament.

She can't. She should have been been belt and braces with the advice, two opinions to be certain.

No, it isn't a fair fight and never will be, which is why she should have been very, very careful about complex financial arrangements.

Yes, it doesn't matter what other politicians got away with, her advice needs to be watertight.

I wouldn't be saying that if it was a deputy Tory MP in the same circumstances and they had quickly and rightly addressed the issue and talked openly about it.

The problem with a Tory is that usually they don't do either of the above and tend to string it out.

Anyway PMQs soon. I'm pretty sure reactionary Badenoch will be all over this. Ed Davey not so much.

I think it would be very sad if she resigned due to a genuine error based on incorrect legal advice.

and to add, in order to safeguard her child's future

A reassuring pat on the shoulder from Kier Starmer to Angela Rayner in PMQs.

Norway deal announcement! Child care announcement!

But you get to a stage of "How much more careful can you be ?"

I have had a few times where despite my suspecting the information i was being given was flaky, I had no option but to commit. And when the shit hit the fan, I had an audit trail that showed my repeated requests that the people supplying the information was correct with a blase "as we said ...", "we refer you to .." or just a resend of a previous email.

Did she pay for this advice ? I'd be curious to know if professional liability insurance can cover the costs of misadvising a client who looses their job as a result.

And if she didn't pay for the advice, then it was by definition worthless.

I was just going to say, hopefully she can sue the person who gave her the incorrect advice.

Starmer in praise of Rayner and rightly so.

I quite like Angela Rayner. I think she'll need very good evidence that she was wrongly advised, otherwise I expect she'll need to go and will end up resigning.

Badenoch all over the place. Totally useless. Wake up!

I find myself wondering if it was a civil servant ?

Wasn't that a previous Tory excuse ?

Desperate Kemi is just awful. She has to go.

To Stanford ?

If she didn't pay for proper independent expert advice, then she is a fool.

She needs to go, it shows poor judgement.

Speaking of Boris Johns, it seems he is outrage by Trumps morality

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/2103765/gb-news-halted-breaking-update-donald-trump

Sounds like we have the basis of an agreement.

If she paid for advice, and it was incorrect. what more would you have had her do ?

E2A: What would HMRC do if a little person paid tax because of demonstrably incorrect advice ? That really needs to be the starting point.

Ed Davy on Gaza. President Trump. ECHR.

Starmer says no withdrawal from the ECHR. Ever.

Philps being creepy man and rubbing his hands up and down his thighs.

Philps being creepy man and rubbing his hands up and down his thighs.

Tractor porn ?

Yes Badenoch consistently shows poor judgement. On that we agree.