If you live in England and are not white are you considering leaving the country?

[GreyingSunshine]

I'm really starting to worry about our future here now that anti immigration / nationalistic feelings are running so high. Our town is full of flags, reform is on the rise (and is pushing everyone, including the other parties further and further to the right) and every day there is news of some sort of anti immigration / anti asylum seekers / stop the boats protest. Dh has said for the first time ever that he doesn't feel safe anymore when out and about. I worry about the kids' future. They were born here and consider themselves British but what if a large proportion of the population doesn't? I feel it's just going to get worse.

I don't really want to leave. I have lived here for more than 20 years. I feel at home here. My kids are at home here. We have a massive mortgage and I don't really fancy starting all over again now that I'm in my mid forties. Also, not sure where we could go as the whole world seems to be becoming more right wing and intolerant and more importantly we obviously both would need to find new jobs first.

Is anyone else worried? Is anyone else considering emigrating? At what point would you say that we (as in anyone visibly not ethnic English or Anglo saxons or whatever, ie not white) need to get out?

@Judgejudysno1fan you specifically mentioned the Quran in the first line of your response to @Jerrypicker post though she hadn’t mentioned it at all.
I was married to a muslim and lived in a muslim country and have lots of muslim friends. I know what i’m talking about.
Why do you feel the need to turn Op’s thread into a religious argument ?

I am applying for an Irish passport as an Insurance Policy. I am so sad what has happened to pur country and fear for the future. I hope the worst is over.

As parents we are familiar with the point at which tolerance snaps, and we recognise that Britain has been very tolerant, and that the tolerance is now breaking under the pressure. It’s not even a situation that evokes a lack of sympathy, to be honest. But with Farage coming, this is not a place we see a happy future for us as a family of mixed race. Starmer will have to put in place measures to prove he is listening to the zeitgeist, to not be voted out.

Oops, duplicate post

I do think there’s some nuance here.

The problem is illegal uncontrolled immigration from some lawless countries.

No one in my local area cares about the Jamaican British people who have been here 40 years, or the lovely Sikh family that run the Indian restaurant on my road… they’re British.

They do care about importing cultures that don’t respect women, are often lawless and have different values to us, such an endemic corruption… from Afghanistan, Eritrea, Sudan, where fgm is common place for example or even pedophilia (if you haven’t been to Afghanistan then don’t comment, I have seen some things that would make you all wince).

If we can’t have a grown up conversation about this we’ll never sort out the real issues. We can’t always label everyone with these concerns ‘far right’ and not all immigration is the same.

Where to go....where is your home country my dear. Mine is North Macedonia and I still keep my homes , my brother looks after them

You dont even know anything. It shows really in the way you type. First, you say jesus is prophet, then son of God, then God. Make your mind up love.

And quoting from the old Testament, oh my are you one of those that deny the old Testament. Pick and choose what you like from the new Testament type of Christians, do you know that jesus himself said do not worship me <revelation 22:9> and do not put me higher than my father. He also said do not call me good, only the father is good. And he also said im going back to the one true god, my father and your father.
Jesus is not God.
Jesus was a servant of God. Jesus certainly didn't pray to himself. He prayed to God. And according to you, he died on the cross
God cannot die. God cannot be put up on a cross, naked and bleeding. GOD IS ABOVE THAT. Rather, Jesus is a messenger sent by God/Allah to teach the world about God.
He also performed miracles through the lord hence whybin the bible he says I cannot do nothing on my own.
John 5.30 my beloved jesus, whom all Muslims love and accept as a mighty prophet said : I of my own can do nothing! I only seek to please the one who sent me. This is in your bible.
If jesus was God, why would the bible say he is lesser than the angels. Hebrews 22.9
Then it states that No one knows the day of judgement not even the angels in heaven, nor the son. Only the father! Mark 13.36

Jesus is not God. Nor son of God.
The bible even has errors. Different ages and different times for different people.
Only certain aspects of the old Testament and the gospel do Muslims also believe in.

Worshipping jesus is a massive sin. He himself will not want you worshipping him.

The first commandment is, thou shall not have any other Gods other than me!!!!
It is a sin in both islam and Christianity to worship other gods.

Oh apologies.

Few other relatives came here without me even knowing. I've just heard an adopted cousin came with her two nurses daughters, she too keeps her homes. In our country we usually have more than one house. Do you have your property back home

A bit like the farm house I'm holidaying at. 5 homes in a farm and seem they all belong to the grandpa bit various relatives live in there, that's how my houses are also. I'm happy here, a bit olive skin but noone has told me anything

Sorry OP I am white
If that makes a difference

Yes but that is what is happening and perhaps it was preferable when you weren’t the only English person in the neighbourhood and there was more of a mix?

why is that such a bad thing to think

Exactly it’s this. People are genuinely worried about the changing face of the country, the unwanted behaviours and customs, e.g. Pakistani rape gangs, ever-younger girls (aged 4-5) almost fully covered, Imams preaching hate or allowing female children to be ‘married to’ older men and no charges brought, young Muslim men being asked by a Muslim cop to ‘store their weapons back in the mosque’ and no arrests will be made, teacher forced to go into hiding for 4 years now for showing a picture, English woman begging local ‘community leaders’ for forgiveness because her autistic son damaged a book) while a white policeman nods along, police deferring to the male dominated Islamic ‘community,’ so-called moderate Labour politicians obsessing over Gaza…. The list is endless and writing it down there is clearly a common denominator. And the rise in anti-semitism, including violent crime and attacks, that are largely coming from the Arabic population, with weekly Pro-Pal marches grafiteeing our statues, shouting antisemitic slogans, yet is policed softly softly, while other marches get the riot shields and kettling treatment. Pro-pal marches have cost the taxpayer a fortune. Then as soon as a few British flags go up, left-wing commentators start bleating on about the cost to the taxpayer of taking them down. It all paints to a picture that isn’t pretty. But more than this, it’s the complicity and inaction of government to tackle ANY of these wrongs.

my family have three generations of immigrants and we are also against illegal immigration!

Thing is similar to the brexit vote and the propaganda which led to it, most protesters are also likely to be poorly educated and racist as a result.

If people understood the current cost of living crisis and the rising cost and scarcity of labour is mostly due to Brexit , I wonder if they would have still voted for it?

It blows my mind that people who support reform think they are centrist or just right of centre. The Overton window has gone so far to the right it’s mad!

Yep. I lived in London until around 11 years ago. I love where I live but it's always seen as one of the more deprived towns of the South East.

I am black but a 3rd generation immigrant. I haven't felt unwelcomed, this is my home country anyway. But these flags everywhere are a bit intimidating. My town has them everywhere. I had to drive DC somewhere and I found myself slowly exhaling as I waited for someone to cross a zebra crossing, where all four white strips had red crosses. I know I shouldn't feel this way but each flag is like a punch, simply because the intention behind it is hardly to celebrate my presence in the country. How does your average racist tell me apart from people crossing illegally?

Do you mind me asking where you're thinking of going if you do leave?

We are starting to see that the fight is is being fuelled by the far left that attack and sneer with verbal cruelty. It isn’t poc that use the racist term ‘ gammon’, it’s the far left. They are always looking for a fight, power hungry, dangerous.

They are the same people who thought up the slur “ terf”. Essentially they are people looking to destabilise what people hold dear, something wrong with them.

So now they are attacking people concerned by immigration.

What rubbish 🙄

I dont understand why you quoted that post in your comment?

In 4 weeks time all the flags will be tatty and weathered and resemble an old pair of knickers drooping from a lamp-post.

So the conclusion of this thread is that poor people are thicko racists, Britain as a cesspit of racism is not worth living in and everyone should convert to Islam because they’re the trailblazers for feminism.

Great. Problem solved op. 🙄

OP has posted once so not sure why you think this is her conclusion.

Aisha was 19 years old when she consummated her marriage during the second year of Hijra (Prophet Muhammad’s pbuh migration from Mecca to Medina). Aisha had a sister called Asma who was ten years older than her, she was recorded as being 27 years old at the start of Hijra. I hope that clears that misunderstanding up.