If you live in England and are not white are you considering leaving the country?

[GreyingSunshine]

I'm really starting to worry about our future here now that anti immigration / nationalistic feelings are running so high. Our town is full of flags, reform is on the rise (and is pushing everyone, including the other parties further and further to the right) and every day there is news of some sort of anti immigration / anti asylum seekers / stop the boats protest. Dh has said for the first time ever that he doesn't feel safe anymore when out and about. I worry about the kids' future. They were born here and consider themselves British but what if a large proportion of the population doesn't? I feel it's just going to get worse.

I don't really want to leave. I have lived here for more than 20 years. I feel at home here. My kids are at home here. We have a massive mortgage and I don't really fancy starting all over again now that I'm in my mid forties. Also, not sure where we could go as the whole world seems to be becoming more right wing and intolerant and more importantly we obviously both would need to find new jobs first.

Is anyone else worried? Is anyone else considering emigrating? At what point would you say that we (as in anyone visibly not ethnic English or Anglo saxons or whatever, ie not white) need to get out?

Is it a sensible idea to cross a channel in a dinghy in those conditions??

As the saying goes "play stupid games. Win stupid prizes "

Resolve what problem though? Depends entirely on what you define as a problem, and how big a “problem” it really. And no I do not want our prime minister to encourage the frothing at the mouth that a certain portion of the population are doing. What he could do is explain to the public that the reason life feels shit for so many people is because of;
Decimation of our public services by the Tories.
Brexit
Low growth in the economy.
Growing inequality of wealth.

Those are the real issues that need addressing, and none of them were caused by immigrants.

If only there was the same concern over the hate marches and the huge increase in antisemitic attacks making Jewish people question their future here. I see the same types of people decrying rising racism, while actively taking part in marches and actions that leads to Jews being unsafe. How ironic.

What an offensive thing to say. I wonder if you turn your nose up at these very same people when you see them repairing roads, emptying your bins, coming to fix your plumbing, electrics, picking fruit, cleaning hospitals, houses etc, packing in factories.

The working class people that you seem to despise are the back bone of this country, without them industries would grind to a halt. You'd do well to remember that.

What is it offensive?

There is a clear link between further education and left wing leanings.

"desperate" ... So desperate in fact you bypass umpteen safe neighbouring first world European countries.

What does that make you ? I won't use your word of "stupid" I'll go for either "willfully ignorant" or "painfully naive"

Bull shit.

I hold a MSc (well, almost there!) and I'm firmly centre.

There is a link between life experience and age i.e wisdom and losing the liberal left naiveté to become more centre/centre right.

If I spoke English or had relatives in England already, yes of course I would. As would you, if you had to flee this country.

Have a think about what you would do, if you had to run. Would you go to a country you know nothing about, can't speak the language and know no-one?

So what you're saying is if you're left leaning you're intelligent if you're right leaning you're thick.

Hahahahaha that's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on here.

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/why-are-graduates-more-socially-liberal/

When we lived in Nigeria, we were on a compound, high walls and barbed wire, with guards at the entrance. When I walked out of the compound Nigerians often shouted out that I was white and pulled at my hair in a playful way, which got right on my nerves, but I laughed it off. There were Nigerian flags all down the street. I never thought anything of it. English flags a threat? Nope. It’s just people making sure the government know they are hacked off. They feel they are not being listened to.

No. I enjoy living in the UK and generally the people here are good. As I have noted on a previous post we are seeing something of an uptick in racism and a number of my ethnically Indian family have been abused in recent weeks.

68% of people arriving on small boats are found to have legitimate asylum claims.

The rest are sent back.

So who exactly are these ‘illegals’ that people are targeting and protesting about?

Well said and Well written.

Thanks. This is something my dear husband always says.

In what way are they doing this?

It’s not easy at all to emigrate these days

Where is your evidence that most asylum seekers are economic migrants? More than 75% of their claims are granted so they cannot be mostly here for economic reasons. None of the people in hotels are illegal migrants as they are waiting to have their claims processed and until they decide to remain here after their claim has been rejected, they have every right to be here under international law.

I think the only thing you can control here is your choice of where you live.

Look for councils that are Lib Dem or possibly Labour, not your long standing Conservative councils.

In reality the minority population of Britain IS changing, by 2050 it will be something like 20% whereas before it was like 7%. So a much larger proportion of the electorate will be from an ethnic minority. And they will have much larger purchasing power.

Any Reform party, if they do get in, aren't going to hold on for long anyway.

I'd also be wary of too much media- it polarises opinions.

There are lots of people who care about the issue without being hardline on it.

@Jerrypickerdidnt mention the Quran though. And having lived in the middle east, I know for a fact if you get 5 muslim people from different countries and quote them a passage from the Quran which you then ask them to explain, you will get 5 different answers.

I live in London and feel safe and calm (but sickened by the rise of Reform bolstered by the Neo-Nazi groups that are behind the flag campaign).

I feel huge trepidation for my Dc, living outside London and as a young adult of colour has attended counter-demonstrations. But apparently as PP have said the counter demo is now much bigger than the people shouting at migrants inside the building, and the police are managing it much better than they did last summer,

My Dc also works, lives and socialises in mixed and academically-thriving circles. I think some people are much more vulnerable than others.

Which is no reason to be complacent about what is happening and anyone who is a victim.

I wish they would cover Citizenship factually in schools, from Yr 6 onwards. So much BHM focussing on enslavement and Windrush. But no one seems to know what ‘refugee’ means and why we have refugees today, ditto asylum seekers.

Meanwhile, it’s all very well to talk of emigrating, where would we go? Scandinavia?

Yeh... If you were "choosing". These people are "desperate" remember....

And last year only 4% of immigration came on small boats
I have no problem analysing and discussing immigration
It's both essential that we have immigration but also that we manage it and importantly that we fund it ( so immigration can't be Blamed for lack of nhs appts, housing etc). Integration is also critical
There is lots of work to be done
But I will not support or tolerate the hate filled, vile rhetoric and misinformation that is being spread. And I judge anyone who walks that path

Where would you go, @GreyingSunshine ? Where is this wonderous place where YOU are allowed to live and also devoid of inter-ethnic / racial / cultural / religious tensions ?

Scotland? Sweden? Denmark? Canada?