If you live in England and are not white are you considering leaving the country?

[GreyingSunshine]

I'm really starting to worry about our future here now that anti immigration / nationalistic feelings are running so high. Our town is full of flags, reform is on the rise (and is pushing everyone, including the other parties further and further to the right) and every day there is news of some sort of anti immigration / anti asylum seekers / stop the boats protest. Dh has said for the first time ever that he doesn't feel safe anymore when out and about. I worry about the kids' future. They were born here and consider themselves British but what if a large proportion of the population doesn't? I feel it's just going to get worse.

I don't really want to leave. I have lived here for more than 20 years. I feel at home here. My kids are at home here. We have a massive mortgage and I don't really fancy starting all over again now that I'm in my mid forties. Also, not sure where we could go as the whole world seems to be becoming more right wing and intolerant and more importantly we obviously both would need to find new jobs first.

Is anyone else worried? Is anyone else considering emigrating? At what point would you say that we (as in anyone visibly not ethnic English or Anglo saxons or whatever, ie not white) need to get out?

Although, to answer. If a brown 8 year old child is attacked purely for the colour of their skin : that's racism!

People (of all colours, I will add ) being concerned about illegal immigration in mass numbers : is NOT racism. (Liberal left STE just desperate to believe it is through their own wilfull ignorance)

The far right doesn’t exist! I’ve read it all now.

The child was attacked by a gang of teens and told to go back to India. In the report I linked upthread. Hard to tell a bunch of thugs that you are legal while they are attacking you. They don't tend to listen.

There's a consequence to " Island of strangers" type rhetoric. Leads to blanket hatred.

People are giving Reform to much credit four years is a long time in politics.
There was a hotel protest near the city I'm from 200 protesters out of the population of Ne Scotland, Aberdeen alone has roughly 193000 adults so these idiots are in the minority despite what the daily mail says.
The extreme far right are involved Britain first made a donation, Tommy Robinson the voice of reason is involved (co founder of the EDL it's numbers made up from football hooligan firm's).
These idiots that hang on Farages every word are despised by his kind, they're merely cannon fodder doing the dirty work.

That's racism.

You do realise that most people , yes most, that are concerned about illegal immigrants and the damage that is being caused to the economy and our way of life are not racist thugs.

I acknowledge illegal immigration is a problem, misuse exists and we need a workable solution asap. But a lot of people have been taken in by misinformation spread by the right and its useful idiots, as the Dundee case shows.

And just as racist thugs are unable to tell the difference between brown people here legally and illegally, how are we supposed to tell the difference between the racist and non-racist balaclava'd flagshaggers?

There are far-right parties, absolutely. So far, the National Party has precisely one local councillor, the National Alliance, a union of the three ‘main’ far-right parties, got a tiny number of votes in the 2024 general election and promptly disbanded. Dermot Blighe, leader of Ireland First, has quit party politics altogether, and is possibly now devoting his time to racking up more criminal convictions. Farage’s crony Herman Kelly’s party, the IFP, got their paperwork wrong and couldn’t run in the 2019 European elections, got no candidates elected in the 2024 European elections, and their sole electoral success in Ireland in the 2024 general election, a single county councillor, has now resigned from the party.

That is a total of precisely one county councillor who is a serving member of a far-right party currently in power. Not a single TD.

Is there a disturbing rise in far-right feeling in some socioeconomic sectors in Ireland? Absolutely. Is there a realistic chance of a far-right government in the near future? No.

Please let me try to reassure you.

I live in the very heartland of disadvantage and union jacks flying. Our street is diverse and we also have flats on our street that appear to be full of Eastern European men. People are frustrated yes, with government policies, with worsening poverty and the idea that some animals are ‘more equal than others’ but I can assure you that the vast majority of people want to just live peaceably.

The racist thugs with the beer bellies and the football shirts don’t represent the majority of ordinary people. The silent majority just want the government to get a grip on uncontrolled immigration because that’s better for everyone. No one is haraguing ethnic minorities here - in fact we are all just rubbing along, nodding hello and taking in each others bins as normal.

I’m white and a British national but considering moving overseas. There is quickly becoming less to like in Britain. I just don’t know where to move to that is both safe and will give my children great opportunities as they grow up.

I think if you've come here legally, work, made the effort to develop good English language skills, and make a reasonable effort to integrate culturally, then you will always have the majority of the population behind you.

There will always be some racists which you will have to contend with, but these are often just horrible people who would find something else to bully people for, you are just sadly an easy target for them currently.

To be fair: it's not black and brown people that are the frustration here !

It's liberal lefties that cannot find a balance and come out with all the hyperbole of "we absolutely welcome asylum seekers. There is no problem. It's just the vile abhorrent white fat thick bigoted gammons that should be deported"

I don't support racism. I'm against it.
I support legal migration. In fact. I welcome it.
I don't support mass numbers of illegal immigrants in hotels under the guise of "asylum seeking" who are actually economic migrants.

I acknowledge growing trends of nefarious behaviour sexually from certain groups.
I acknowledge the many concerns from the right.

I disagree with violent protests. I also acknowledge how they've come about.

The liberal lefts view seems to be "because I'm not racist, I support everything to do with immigrants, both legal and illegal and will especially shout nasty words at anyone with any legitimate concerns over the boat people. There's no middle ground. To be non racist automatically means welcoming in illegal economic migrants"

Rather patronising to black and brown people, no ?

But they're the "correct" ones, so.....

I'm white and considering leaving the country. Can't be the only one.

I wouldn't take it personal and err......... am never leaving this is my HOME now

There are no illegal immigrants here. Those coming in by small boats are asylum seekers who will be processed and a decision made on whether they can stay. There is no legal route for them to seek asylum here so they resort to paying these gangs their life savings to do so.
They also make up a tiny proportion of the so called legal immigrants who are working and contributing to the economy.
These flag raising people are being stirred up by Farage and the right wing press to think we are being overrun, and it’s not the case.
i read somewhere that the death rate will exceed the birth rate in the UK in 2029; we cannot support our own people without immigrant workers.
People saying labour are just driving people towards reform - understand that if you vote for reform you own that vote. It isn’t anybody else’s fault if we end up with farage as pm -it’s entirely the fault of the people who vote for him and his company. Sorry I mean party.

Ok, they're all genuine asylum seekers. Ok, we'll get swallowing that narrative and see it it appeases the tension.

It’s the truth.

If you believe that I would say that you may be part of the problem

There's someone ranting about this on our local Facebook group today. Apparently they should be housed in tents, to put them off. Quite where those tents are and what we do with the people in them when it's freezing/snowing/blowing galeforce winds, I do not know. These people aren't blessed with brains.

Ahhh. The liberal left at it again....

MO: insult flinging.

Working nicely isn't it ?

I am white British and would like to leave if Reform come to power, but we don't do jobs that would be useful elsewhere or speak any other languages well enough to move there and work. So we're bloody stuck.

Sadly I think this problem is very common in many places, thanks to a huge amount of money being put into divisive and hateful social media propaganda in many countries. I have friends in Sweden and the Netherlands who both worry about the increase in racism.

It’s true though.

Map where the flags are. Not the most intelligent of areas. l said on a previous thread, How many people with post grads are putting these up?

If you can't take the insults, don't say stupid things.

Is it a sensible suggestion, to put people in tents? No, it's not.

I would say looking at the videos of the protests and going by previous protests for other things that the majority of people aren't wearing scarves etc to hide their faces. The ones who are you will find are there to cause trouble. If you are protesting peacefully, why would you need to cover your face.

There is absolutely nothing in the quran to suggest at all that it's ok to assault and degrade women.
In fact, women are given a high place in islam. And the quran actually says the best of men are the best to their wives. And that's a fact.

The scum that do this are certainly not part of my faith. If a man chooses to go and hurt someone it's because he's an idiot, not because a religion tells him so.