Thread 30 Starmer - Magic Roundabouts

[DuncinToffee]

Pull up a chair for some friendly chit chat about politics and beyond

Taxes optional but greatly appreciated.

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5395939-thread-29-starmer-paint-your-bandwagon?page=1

I do however, think Labour need to confront Reform, 35% in the polls is not going to go away on its own, v disappointing Phillipson, on Sky, didn't call out Farage on paying the Taliban... its an open goal

Labour needs to ditch the idea of winning over Reform voters. It will never happen. Starmer should be picking apart every word that comes out of Farage's gob.

I realise my last post was a bit ‘me me me’! But the point I was making that you, @MyNameIsX or @Flamejuicethrowback are not here with genuine intent.

We discuss a lot of things on these threads, some of which are political, others of which have no relevance to politics. Many of which are about us, personally. In that way, these threads feel more like a community - which is what social media is ultimately all about.

Yesterday it wasn’t just me who shared some personal stuff - others did to, about family members who were ill/in hospital/awaiting test results. Yet you and your acolytes never respond. You never give.

It’s abundantly clear, @2dogsandabudgie, as well, that these posts are not just in favour of the Labour party, or Sir Keir Starmer, or Angela Rayner or Rachel Reeves (or whoever else you want to pick on from TLP) - many of us are and have been critical about them. Many of us are unhappy about the current situation.

And if you truly bothered to read and engage with the chat on these threads you would know that.

I am here with genuine intent, but when it comes to ‘personal stuff’, as you put it, it would be inappropriate for me to join in.

I respect your right to share ‘personal stuff’, please respect my right to not respond.

Thanks

Otherwise I do not believe its appropriate to share particularly personal matters on open forums like MN.

I wasn’t asking you to!

Best wishes/condolences from you are not you sharing personal matters! Whether I, or others choose to share such stuff is up to us.

Edited to add: really don’t understand why you think it would be inappropriate for you to join in. Why wouldn’t you?

(And I’m sure you can have a good guess at what ‘bitchplop’ means)

Maybe start simple X and stop just copying and pasting articles from the DT

See, I disagree. It would exaggerate Farage’s importance and nobody inclined to vote Reform would take a blind bit of notice anyway. I think it’s better to play the long game - get on with sorting the country out, deal with the immigration issues, work to improve the economy and let Reform carry on making itself unelectable by mismanaging the councils it runs. Four years is a long time.

Incidentally I’ve put in a complaint to the BBC about the disproportionate amount of coverage they give Farage and Reform. Perhaps if enough people do it they might start listening.

Yes, it veers into weirdness.

I don’t understand the urge to patrol threads.

But we’ve been here many times before.

Absolutely, we are in agreement on this subject.

I googled ‘bitchplop’ and it returned ‘bitch slap’…. Never mind.

And while I’m on a roll - AS shows that @Flamejuicethrowback only uses this name on this particular thread. Which would suggest that you have a particular agenda here as well.

Same as @gandersash on the previous thread

Oh Come on you do tend to be highly critical of the Tories and Reform and anyone who might think of voting for them. You sneer, you call people thick, you name call, you make derogatory remarks about Badenoch and Farage, and yet if anyone does the same about Starmer, Rayner, Reeves etc you say it's petty and boring. You pile on on other threads and then report back here. It's so hypocritical.

One of my fondest memories of you all on these threads is back when Torys were in government and shit was hitting the fan and we were discussing who we’d vote for next.

I said I’d voted for Johnson and it’s the only time I’ve regretted a vote - some bad actors came in absolutely piling onto me saying I was part of the problem

Everyone stood by and up for me.

Never felt like it was an attack anyone who doesn’t vote Labour thread before that but it was at that point I realised I’d found my people.

People interested in politics and the intricacies of it.

It wasn't aimed at you specifically the "you" was a general you for all the regular posters on this thread.

So were they.

I have never called people thick and I do not name call but I am sure you can back up your accussations.

And yes, I will call out Reform posters blaming immigrants (or more accurately asylum seekers) for all that is wrong in this country

By that age someone is more than old enough and wise enough to know better.

That's why I stopped posting on here.

I’m out of here until this bun fight stops. Well done everyone who’s engaged with them. You’ve given them exactly what they wanted.

So why are you back?

You still read them 🤔

Sorry @Blossomtoes.

I actually came back to the thread to post a link to Andrew Rawnsley’s opinion piece in today’s Observer:

https://observer.co.uk/news/columnists/article/sir-keir-can-refresh-his-number-10-crew-but-they-still-need-the-captain-to-steer-the-ship

… which essentially echoes a lot of what we’ve been talking about on this/these threads.

‘Back to school’ for Sir Keir is going to be tough.

I say the thing I always say. You’ve got the power. No one has to respond to anyone else. If you’ve got a problem with the good faith of a poster I think MN has it right. You don’t respond.

Give a thing your energy and it will grow. Threads or posters.

If bitchplopping is not okay, then either it gets ignored or gets labelled as such. This thread is odd to some but actually it’s done on pub rules. I think most of us know those and how we socialise in the real world. That is why we like it.

TLDR; you don’t have to be schooled by someone who gives out at you. You choose to be

I've only just begun catching up due to holiday. Condolences @BIWI and happy birthday for yesterday.

Absolutely. He's got forensic skills and should be using them more than he is.