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Why are governments putting women and girls at higher risk of sex crimes?

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Absentmindedsmile · 26/08/2025 12:37

Fact: Hundreds of thousands of men are entering Europe (as in the continent), from countries where women and girls are second class citizens.
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Fact: The sex crime rate statistics associated with different nationalities living in the UK have been published. An example is provided below.
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….the [sex crime] rates, based on convictions per 10,000 of the population put Afghans, with 77 convictions, at the top with a rate of 59 per 10,000 – 22.3 times that of Britons.
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They were followed by Eritreans, who accounted for 59 convictions at a rate of 53.6 per 10,000 of their population.
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Britons accounted for 12,619 sex offence convictions, representing a rate of 2.66 per per 10,000 of their population in England and Wales.
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https://archive.md/6AXAy Archive version
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Fact: This example data blows up any erroneous claims from people suggesting that British men commit more sex crimes when numbers in the population are accounted for / are more likely to commit a sex crime.
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There’s above is factual data. It is not racist to provide it. To claim this, is quite simply, wrong. Perhaps it’s projection, the mind boggles.

To want ‘no debate’ and bleet on with incorrectly placed accusations of racism, is to shut down people’s valid concerns.

Tin hat on for the people who want no debate on this issue, and instead of protecting women and girls, insist on protecting men from countries where women and girls are treated as second class citizens.

More data has been promised.
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CorneliaCupp · 28/08/2025 14:10

Absentmindedsmile · 28/08/2025 14:04

‘So eg ‘Afghani males age 18-22 earning £10-15,000 pa’ vs ‘British males age 18-22 earning £10,000 -15,000 pa’ etc. It is quite tedious but it is the only way to make an accurate comparison’

😂 what? Sex crimes can only be compared between groups that have the same income? Christ I’m not sure what we’re dealing with here, but that variable really need not be required to collate and assess rape statistics. It could be included if available, but frankly it’d only be a poi if anything.

If you want accurate comparisons, yes.

I could compare 80 year old Afghan women and 20 year old British men and find that Brits commit far more crime than Afghan nationals, but that would not be accurate for obvious reasons. The only way to know whether it is nationality that is the issue is to compare like for like.

poetryandwine · 28/08/2025 14:13

Absentmindedsmile · 28/08/2025 14:04

‘So eg ‘Afghani males age 18-22 earning £10-15,000 pa’ vs ‘British males age 18-22 earning £10,000 -15,000 pa’ etc. It is quite tedious but it is the only way to make an accurate comparison’

😂 what? Sex crimes can only be compared between groups that have the same income? Christ I’m not sure what we’re dealing with here, but that variable really need not be required to collate and assess rape statistics. It could be included if available, but frankly it’d only be a poi if anything.

Sex crimes were discussed above. The ONS analysis used by Sky News showed that these needed to be analysed by age. British data were diluted as discussed above.

Your post that I’ve quoted specifically mentioned drug use and theft. Both of these correlate with both age and (low) income.

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 14:15

AI's take on smile's numbers

The statement regarding over 100,000 foreign nationals convicted for serious crimes and nearly 70 nationalities with higher criminality rates between 2021-2023 in England and Wales is false and represents a misleading claim that has been disputed or debunked by fact-checkers. Such figures are often promoted to generate fear and misunderstanding about crime and migration, and it is important to rely on official statistics from sources like the Office for National Statistics (ONS) and the Home Office.

Why the Claim is Misleading

Misinformation:
The claim appears to be an example of misleading data about migration and crime that has circulated in recent months, according to fact-checkers like The Guardian.
Lack of Official Data:
There is no evidence from official sources to support these specific figures.
Focus on Hysteria:
Such claims are often promoted to fuel hysteria and misinformation rather than provide accurate data.

pointythings · 28/08/2025 14:16

Absentmindedsmile · 28/08/2025 14:04

‘So eg ‘Afghani males age 18-22 earning £10-15,000 pa’ vs ‘British males age 18-22 earning £10,000 -15,000 pa’ etc. It is quite tedious but it is the only way to make an accurate comparison’

😂 what? Sex crimes can only be compared between groups that have the same income? Christ I’m not sure what we’re dealing with here, but that variable really need not be required to collate and assess rape statistics. It could be included if available, but frankly it’d only be a poi if anything.

Income is probably not the best example, but age absolutely is relevant. So have your statistics been adjusted for age (and other potential confounding factors)?

poetryandwine · 28/08/2025 14:23

pointythings · 28/08/2025 14:16

Income is probably not the best example, but age absolutely is relevant. So have your statistics been adjusted for age (and other potential confounding factors)?

I am not aware that income correlates with sex crimes but it certainly correlates OP’s other examples

Mlddleoftheroad · 28/08/2025 14:24

Absentmindedsmile · 28/08/2025 13:40

‘.. between 2021 and 2023 there were over 100,000 foreign nationals convicted for a serious crime in England and Wales, and nearly 70 nationalities with a criminality rate that is higher than the British public.

Few people and even fewer politicians feel comfortable enough to identify the causal link between open borders and sexual assault, (or the drug epidemic, or the ubiquity of theft.)

For each of these offences, the rate of conviction for foreign nationals is far, far higher than that of the British people‘

A reminder for those that prefer to redirect / derail.

It is clear from this thread anyone reasonable raising and discussing the issues, is labelled a far right racist / thug / bigot. It’s terribly sad because that bigoted (how ironic) approach, displayed by those people, leads to no debate and nothing moves forward to any kind of resolution / positive change.

The current situation is unsustainable. I wonder if people don’t care because by the time it all fully plays out, they’ll be long gone. But their children and grandchildren children will not. They are the ones who will have to face even greater negative consequences. Hopefully we’ll get a competent government in at some point, to avert such a consequence.

Actually, I disagree that anyone reasonable has been labelled far right.

Mlddleoftheroad · 28/08/2025 14:32

I see the typical response from my down the MAGA rabbit hole friend to asking for sources.

"I would tell you but you won't read it".

I have been very clear that I won't give credence to those that peddle hate and division. Don't give me a person's perspective and opinion alone. Give me the raw data to interpret, I can then compare a variety of sources instead of taking one as gospel.

The original data never appears, but, funnily enough, neither does the original source quoted so that I can look into the views of the person and affording it appropriate credence.

They know I won't like it, which leads me to extrapolate that it's from a hard right source.

PandoraSocks · 28/08/2025 15:30

MissyB1 · 28/08/2025 13:52

Oh I’ve come to the conclusion that most people just mean “foreigners” 🙄

OP's post of 13:40, which they keep regurgitating, makes that clear, IMHO.

PandoraSocks · 28/08/2025 15:30

MissyB1 · 28/08/2025 13:52

Oh I’ve come to the conclusion that most people just mean “foreigners” 🙄

OP's post of 13:40, which they keep regurgitating, makes that clear, IMHO.

PandoraSocks · 28/08/2025 15:33

Does any one know if the fragrant Robert Bates ever shared a copy of the actual reply to his FOI? I tried to find it but couldn't track it down.

pointythings · 28/08/2025 15:34

poetryandwine · 28/08/2025 14:23

I am not aware that income correlates with sex crimes but it certainly correlates OP’s other examples

And it was a clear illustration of how statistical analysis should work, as opposed to how it is done by people with an agenda, on both sides of the political divide in all fairness.

DungareesTrombonesDinos · 28/08/2025 15:47

Fitzcarraldo353 · 26/08/2025 14:21

Please everyone read about this campaign. Some real statistics which are useful too.

www.endviolenceagainstwomen.org.uk/100-womens-rights-groups-warn-against-racist-weaponisation-of-vawg/

This this this THIS!!

Why are governments putting women and girls at higher risk of sex crimes?
LupaMoonhowl · 28/08/2025 15:52

If this is an example of their perception, they really are out of touch with the reality of what it is like now on the streets outside their fantasy bubble.

Winter2020 · 28/08/2025 15:56

poetryandwine · 28/08/2025 09:17

The statistical analysis used by Sky does not ‘tie itself in knots’. The primary tool is age adjustment, one of the simplest and most widely accepted of all techniques.

Middle Eastern and African males who have sought asylum in the UK are largely concentrated in the same narrow age band as those who commit most sexual offences. In contrast, British males are well represented across the full span of age bands. This dilutes the data on British sexual crimes as reported by the Telegraph and others.

The statistics were picking out an age group as much as anything. You need to compare statistics for both age and ethnicity to get good data.

The analysis was provided by the Office of National Statistics. ONS do not stitch anything up.

Still backs up the argument that we could go without boat loads of young men arriving then.

poetryandwine · 28/08/2025 16:02

It bears repeating that the headline figures on the very helpful posts from @Fitzcarraldo353 and @DungareesTrombonesDinos are

90% of perpetrators of rape and sexual assault are known to their victims

and

50% of rapes against women are carried out by a partner or ex partner

When these crimes are committed against British women they are most unlikely to be perpetrated by refugees or asylum seekers. The remaining crimes of SA are a mixed lot

Winter2020 · 28/08/2025 16:15

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 13:15

At the risk of being laughed at again, source for that statement?

Don't forget official sources say that nearly a million people coming to live in the UK in one year (net) have no effect on housing at all. Miraculous isn't it. Almost unbelievable.

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 16:17

Winter2020 · 28/08/2025 16:15

Don't forget official sources say that nearly a million people coming to live in the UK in one year (net) have no effect on housing at all. Miraculous isn't it. Almost unbelievable.

You still haven't given any sources for your statements

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 16:28

We can agree that net migration in 2023 was too high without blaming it on asylum seekers

Why are governments putting women and girls at higher risk of sex crimes?
Winter2020 · 28/08/2025 16:30

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 16:17

You still haven't given any sources for your statements

OK here is some evidence for immigration increasing the UK population
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/the-uks-changing-population/

So unless you have information why adding to our population magically does not increase the pressure on housing then we can safely assume that it does.

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TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 16:36

Ofcourse it does but the main problem is that the UK failed to build new houses

Winter2020 · 28/08/2025 16:41

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 16:36

Ofcourse it does but the main problem is that the UK failed to build new houses

Or that our population is rising too quickly.

You can prefer that we build a million houses every couple of years to house the people arriving, others are allowed to prefer a stable population and limited building - designed to ease the existing pressure on housing our young people and people already in temporary accommodation with no where to go rather than be constantly behind ever increasing demand.

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 16:49

The fertility rate in England and Wales fell to its lowest level on record in 2024. It is the third consecutive year that record has been broken.

https://news.sky.com/story/fertility-rates-continue-to-fall-but-number-of-births-rise-13419236

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Winter2020 · 28/08/2025 16:53

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 16:28

We can agree that net migration in 2023 was too high without blaming it on asylum seekers

I agree that small boats are the most difficult immigration to tackle. The other 900k odd arrivals should be relatively easy to cut as I assume would largely consist of not issuing visas. Yes without the 900,000 other arrivals people might feel that there was a little more housing and civil service/council officer time to work with the 30k off the boats. (numbers approximately from your chart).

When people voted for Brexit it was in large part for the ability to control our borders. Politicians betrayed the British public by allowing immigration on this scale. Border control after Brexit didn't fail by accident politicians made sure it failed by stamping those 900k visas.

Winter2020 · 28/08/2025 16:54

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 16:49

The fertility rate in England and Wales fell to its lowest level on record in 2024. It is the third consecutive year that record has been broken.

https://news.sky.com/story/fertility-rates-continue-to-fall-but-number-of-births-rise-13419236

Great perhaps at some point our young people will be able to afford a home of their own.