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Why are governments putting women and girls at higher risk of sex crimes?

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Absentmindedsmile · 26/08/2025 12:37

Fact: Hundreds of thousands of men are entering Europe (as in the continent), from countries where women and girls are second class citizens.
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Fact: The sex crime rate statistics associated with different nationalities living in the UK have been published. An example is provided below.
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….the [sex crime] rates, based on convictions per 10,000 of the population put Afghans, with 77 convictions, at the top with a rate of 59 per 10,000 – 22.3 times that of Britons.
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They were followed by Eritreans, who accounted for 59 convictions at a rate of 53.6 per 10,000 of their population.
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Britons accounted for 12,619 sex offence convictions, representing a rate of 2.66 per per 10,000 of their population in England and Wales.
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https://archive.md/6AXAy Archive version
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Fact: This example data blows up any erroneous claims from people suggesting that British men commit more sex crimes when numbers in the population are accounted for / are more likely to commit a sex crime.
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There’s above is factual data. It is not racist to provide it. To claim this, is quite simply, wrong. Perhaps it’s projection, the mind boggles.

To want ‘no debate’ and bleet on with incorrectly placed accusations of racism, is to shut down people’s valid concerns.

Tin hat on for the people who want no debate on this issue, and instead of protecting women and girls, insist on protecting men from countries where women and girls are treated as second class citizens.

More data has been promised.
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pointythings · 28/08/2025 12:49

RingoJuice · 28/08/2025 12:15

Illegal border crossings have plummeted under Trump because they can no longer claim asylum after entering illegally. Incentives are gone.

Yes, I figured you would think that is great.

RingoJuice · 28/08/2025 12:50

pointythings · 28/08/2025 12:49

Yes, I figured you would think that is great.

Biden could have done this at any point, with support of the electorate. But he only belatedly did that with the 2024 election looming.

LupaMoonhowl · 28/08/2025 12:51

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 10:12

You have a strange notion of 'importing people'

As for deporting, where to and how? El Salvador, Alligator Alcatraz like the US?
Back to a country where they risk torture and death?

They could have applied for asylum in any of the numerous countries that have facilitated their travel here -if they really are fleeing ‘persecution’

LupaMoonhowl · 28/08/2025 12:53

RingoJuice · 28/08/2025 12:15

Illegal border crossings have plummeted under Trump because they can no longer claim asylum after entering illegally. Incentives are gone.

So - there is a real life example of where removing that incentive works.

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 12:53

LupaMoonhowl · 28/08/2025 12:51

They could have applied for asylum in any of the numerous countries that have facilitated their travel here -if they really are fleeing ‘persecution’

They could have claimed asylum in other countries but they don't have to, hth

How have numerous countries facilitated their travel?

pointythings · 28/08/2025 12:53

LupaMoonhowl · 28/08/2025 12:51

They could have applied for asylum in any of the numerous countries that have facilitated their travel here -if they really are fleeing ‘persecution’

Yawn. There is no legal obligation to claim asylum in the first safe country. Nearby safe countries already host the vast majority of those fleeing. Aren't facts inconvenient?

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 12:56

LupaMoonhowl · 28/08/2025 12:53

So - there is a real life example of where removing that incentive works.

The US isn't signed up to the 1951 Refugee Conventiion

And do you really want the UK to copy ICE raids, alligator alcatraz, El Salvador?

pointythings · 28/08/2025 12:59

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 12:56

The US isn't signed up to the 1951 Refugee Conventiion

And do you really want the UK to copy ICE raids, alligator alcatraz, El Salvador?

You won't like the answer to that question from some people on here. Because of course women are soooo safe in the US.

LupaMoonhowl · 28/08/2025 13:00

Name a neighbouring country that offers free hotel accommodation/ pocket money/health and dental care and the opportunity to work in the black economy without paying any tax/NI And will then take in house (in actual houses, not camps) give benefits to the wider’ family’. An allow crime with impunity.
I don’t doubt that genuine refugees do very gratefully accept sanctuary in camps on the safest closet country. And doubt they are committing sex crimes there against local children and women.
But they are not the ones being discussed on this thread.

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 13:04

Proposal from Refugee Council on how to accelerate the exit from using hotels for asylum seekers in a pratical way

https://www-media.refugeecouncil.org.uk/media/documents/Refugee_Council_-_Briefing_on_exiting_hotels-_August_2025.pdf

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 13:06

LupaMoonhowl · 28/08/2025 13:00

Name a neighbouring country that offers free hotel accommodation/ pocket money/health and dental care and the opportunity to work in the black economy without paying any tax/NI And will then take in house (in actual houses, not camps) give benefits to the wider’ family’. An allow crime with impunity.
I don’t doubt that genuine refugees do very gratefully accept sanctuary in camps on the safest closet country. And doubt they are committing sex crimes there against local children and women.
But they are not the ones being discussed on this thread.

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Don't you think housing, food and health are very basic human rights?

Do you propose to leave people destitute on the streets?

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 13:08

pointythings · 28/08/2025 12:59

You won't like the answer to that question from some people on here. Because of course women are soooo safe in the US.

Somehow posters are refusing to answer that simple question 🤔

bloodymary2025 · 28/08/2025 13:10

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 12:25

Do you have a source to back this up?

Lol

???

Do you mean to say that any of that would be news to you? Did you have one bit In mind? Truly exhausting and very very telling ( of luxury beliefs and removal from reality ) if so

Lol yes I could find sources.

But if they happened to be reported on by someone you don't like you wouldn't even look, right? Cus that's what crital thinking means apparently.

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 13:14

bloodymary2025 · 28/08/2025 13:10

Lol

???

Do you mean to say that any of that would be news to you? Did you have one bit In mind? Truly exhausting and very very telling ( of luxury beliefs and removal from reality ) if so

Lol yes I could find sources.

But if they happened to be reported on by someone you don't like you wouldn't even look, right? Cus that's what crital thinking means apparently.

Give it a try.

Quote your source(s)

bloodymary2025 · 28/08/2025 13:14

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 13:06

Don't you think housing, food and health are very basic human rights?

Do you propose to leave people destitute on the streets?

The amount of people currently homeless and born here is at all time high...because of immigration.

bloodymary2025 · 28/08/2025 13:15

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 13:14

Give it a try.

Quote your source(s)

Sure, first what do you find unbelievable?

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 13:15

bloodymary2025 · 28/08/2025 13:14

The amount of people currently homeless and born here is at all time high...because of immigration.

At the risk of being laughed at again, source for that statement?

poetryandwine · 28/08/2025 13:17

pointythings · 28/08/2025 12:59

You won't like the answer to that question from some people on here. Because of course women are soooo safe in the US.

The US signed the 1967 Refugee Protocol, which forbids refoulement. America is on dodgy ground and I think we can all see how its international reputation has sunk. Do we want Britain to go the same way, with a leader whose best buds are Putin and Netanyahu?

Anyway, a reasonably sized swathe of Americans may like the anti-immigrant stance but that doesn’t mean they approve of Donald Trump. In the modern polling era, the average approval rating of a president 6 months after inauguration as polled by Gallup, excluding Trump, is 62%. Trump’s current approval ratings are between 37-45% depending on the poll with Gallup putting him at 40%.

It’s really difficult to confine nastiness to one issue. People who like to practise it find it habit forming.

TopPocketFind · 28/08/2025 13:18

bloodymary2025 · 28/08/2025 13:15

Sure, first what do you find unbelievable?

Anyone who claims the earth is flat

Just share your sources and then we can see if the evidence supports your facts.

Absentmindedsmile · 28/08/2025 13:40

‘.. between 2021 and 2023 there were over 100,000 foreign nationals convicted for a serious crime in England and Wales, and nearly 70 nationalities with a criminality rate that is higher than the British public.

Few people and even fewer politicians feel comfortable enough to identify the causal link between open borders and sexual assault, (or the drug epidemic, or the ubiquity of theft.)

For each of these offences, the rate of conviction for foreign nationals is far, far higher than that of the British people‘

A reminder for those that prefer to redirect / derail.

It is clear from this thread anyone reasonable raising and discussing the issues, is labelled a far right racist / thug / bigot. It’s terribly sad because that bigoted (how ironic) approach, displayed by those people, leads to no debate and nothing moves forward to any kind of resolution / positive change.

The current situation is unsustainable. I wonder if people don’t care because by the time it all fully plays out, they’ll be long gone. But their children and grandchildren children will not. They are the ones who will have to face even greater negative consequences. Hopefully we’ll get a competent government in at some point, to avert such a consequence.

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pointythings · 28/08/2025 13:42

Absentmindedsmile · 28/08/2025 13:40

‘.. between 2021 and 2023 there were over 100,000 foreign nationals convicted for a serious crime in England and Wales, and nearly 70 nationalities with a criminality rate that is higher than the British public.

Few people and even fewer politicians feel comfortable enough to identify the causal link between open borders and sexual assault, (or the drug epidemic, or the ubiquity of theft.)

For each of these offences, the rate of conviction for foreign nationals is far, far higher than that of the British people‘

A reminder for those that prefer to redirect / derail.

It is clear from this thread anyone reasonable raising and discussing the issues, is labelled a far right racist / thug / bigot. It’s terribly sad because that bigoted (how ironic) approach, displayed by those people, leads to no debate and nothing moves forward to any kind of resolution / positive change.

The current situation is unsustainable. I wonder if people don’t care because by the time it all fully plays out, they’ll be long gone. But their children and grandchildren children will not. They are the ones who will have to face even greater negative consequences. Hopefully we’ll get a competent government in at some point, to avert such a consequence.

Source? Methodology?

CorneliaCupp · 28/08/2025 13:49

There is so.much conflation on this thread between legal immigrants, illegal immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers. They are very distinct groups.

Those of you on this thread who agree with the op - would you like all immigration halted completely? Or the UK to stop accepting refugees? Or is there anything there solution?

It is such a complex issue, without a simple solution.

MissyB1 · 28/08/2025 13:52

CorneliaCupp · 28/08/2025 13:49

There is so.much conflation on this thread between legal immigrants, illegal immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers. They are very distinct groups.

Those of you on this thread who agree with the op - would you like all immigration halted completely? Or the UK to stop accepting refugees? Or is there anything there solution?

It is such a complex issue, without a simple solution.

Oh I’ve come to the conclusion that most people just mean “foreigners” 🙄

poetryandwine · 28/08/2025 13:53

Absentmindedsmile · 28/08/2025 13:40

‘.. between 2021 and 2023 there were over 100,000 foreign nationals convicted for a serious crime in England and Wales, and nearly 70 nationalities with a criminality rate that is higher than the British public.

Few people and even fewer politicians feel comfortable enough to identify the causal link between open borders and sexual assault, (or the drug epidemic, or the ubiquity of theft.)

For each of these offences, the rate of conviction for foreign nationals is far, far higher than that of the British people‘

A reminder for those that prefer to redirect / derail.

It is clear from this thread anyone reasonable raising and discussing the issues, is labelled a far right racist / thug / bigot. It’s terribly sad because that bigoted (how ironic) approach, displayed by those people, leads to no debate and nothing moves forward to any kind of resolution / positive change.

The current situation is unsustainable. I wonder if people don’t care because by the time it all fully plays out, they’ll be long gone. But their children and grandchildren children will not. They are the ones who will have to face even greater negative consequences. Hopefully we’ll get a competent government in at some point, to avert such a consequence.

Like @pointythings I am interested in both the source and the methodology.

Again one must compare like with like. This included both age and socioeconomic data overall, because crime correlates with all of these factors. So eg ‘Afghani males age 18-22 earning £10-15,000 pa’ vs ‘British males age 18-22 earning £10,000 -15,000 pa’ etc. It is quite tedious but it is the only way to make an accurate comparison

Absentmindedsmile · 28/08/2025 14:04

‘So eg ‘Afghani males age 18-22 earning £10-15,000 pa’ vs ‘British males age 18-22 earning £10,000 -15,000 pa’ etc. It is quite tedious but it is the only way to make an accurate comparison’

😂 what? Sex crimes can only be compared between groups that have the same income? Christ I’m not sure what we’re dealing with here, but that variable really need not be required to collate and assess rape statistics. It could be included if available, but frankly it’d only be a poi if anything.

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