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Hate how racist everything has become, and how quickly it’s happened.

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Silverbirchleaf · 24/08/2025 22:13

I was just looking at facebook, and a ‘Sad face’ newsmaker article came up. Practically all the comments mentioned boats, asylum seekers etc etc. Its really getting me down.

Travelled to the south west last weekend. On the way down no flags on bridges. On the way back, in some areas, every bridge.

Its scary how quickly it’s all happening.

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Hoardasauruskaren · 26/08/2025 07:57

ExtraOnions · 25/08/2025 08:15

All went nuts in a small town near us last night …someone posted a video of a “coachload of illegals” being dropped off at the local Premier Inn.

Cue vile Facebook posts, threatening calls to the hotel etc.

Turns out it was a group of people, stopping over for a wedding.

Seems like all groups of people of Asian descent are now to be treated with suspicion, accused of being criminals, and driven out.

It’s disgraceful

Similar where I live! A hotel at a theme park. Where tourists go, but the tourists were brown so the rumours started !

FilthySchoolToilets · 26/08/2025 08:16

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 05:08

Setting up asylum routes would not stop people coming, they will still be coming in their millions, you would also have to deal with millions of extra paper applications as well. It could never work, which is why no government of any persuasion has ever even attempted to set one up.

Processing applications faster is not going to solve the immigration crisis we are facing. We need to solve the root issue and that is there are far far too many arrivals in the first place. We are at breaking point. We really are, this is not about race. It doesn’t matter where they are from, it’s irrelevant - we have no more capacity to accept them.

There is no plan. There are no policies. There is a leadership vacuum. We are sleep walking into an unmitigated disaster. I wish we were not.

It is causing such terrible tension in communities. A pressure cooker is building. You can’t silence the growing unease that is building and building in the country.

We have accepted ten million already with no clear plan in place as to where they will all live, how our hospitals will cope.

Where is the leadership now?

It’s non existent.

We can not offer a home, schooling, free healthcare to the entire world. It’s just not feasible. We need a pause. Time to get the situation under control before the whole system melts down altogether.

"We can not offer a home, schooling, free healthcare to the entire world. It’s just not feasible. We need a pause. Time to get the situation under control before the whole system melts down altogether."

I think you have summed it up well. Although accommodation cost is drawn from "foreign aid", the hidden cost of education, medical, UC and free housing (UC and free housing available once they become refugees). The no. of people is simply too many for our system to cope.

There are too many asylum seekers/ refugees in a short time that people are raising concern. Not that they are racist, just that integration takes time.

The jealousy towards asylum seekers is real, especially during winter months while many barely manage to keep their house warm; or when they have found themselves queuing up for food bank; or simply because they don't succeed in getting a medical appointment. It's humanity to show compassion to those who suffer but it's also humanity for some to feel unfair to see what asylum seekers have while they don't.

The hatred towards asylum seekers or refugees reflects a deeper problem of our social welfare is collapsing. If these asylum seekers commit crimes, it draw in hatred from another group of people who think our police system is failing.

Lilactimes · 26/08/2025 08:21

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 05:08

Setting up asylum routes would not stop people coming, they will still be coming in their millions, you would also have to deal with millions of extra paper applications as well. It could never work, which is why no government of any persuasion has ever even attempted to set one up.

Processing applications faster is not going to solve the immigration crisis we are facing. We need to solve the root issue and that is there are far far too many arrivals in the first place. We are at breaking point. We really are, this is not about race. It doesn’t matter where they are from, it’s irrelevant - we have no more capacity to accept them.

There is no plan. There are no policies. There is a leadership vacuum. We are sleep walking into an unmitigated disaster. I wish we were not.

It is causing such terrible tension in communities. A pressure cooker is building. You can’t silence the growing unease that is building and building in the country.

We have accepted ten million already with no clear plan in place as to where they will all live, how our hospitals will cope.

Where is the leadership now?

It’s non existent.

We can not offer a home, schooling, free healthcare to the entire world. It’s just not feasible. We need a pause. Time to get the situation under control before the whole system melts down altogether.

@Nestingbirds - you are mildly hysterical.
You are totally falling for subtle manipulation on social media algorithms which are causing you to believe the problems we face are due to immigration and not due to poor leadership over 15 years - austerity, Covid, Brexit, war in Europe, global corporations not paying tax properly in the countries in which they operate; wealth gap growing massively with a bloated 1% retaining more wealth and stopping it circulating - all contributing to our current economic suffering.
Many of the people who have migrated here on a visa will be contributing via tax or will be students who will be paying large fees to our universities.
The boat people are a small % and I agree need to be processed more quickly.
Who are the other people you are talking about that come in

awkwardasfuck · 26/08/2025 08:26

RingoJuice · 26/08/2025 07:08

How do you think the Japanese ethnicity was created? They didn’t come to Japan as a singular people, they are a mix of Jomon aboriginal, Korean rice farmer, Han Chinese and Siberian hunter-gatherer, all arriving at different points, and far from peaceful. It’s not so different to the English, yet you know it’s a total absurdity to claim there can be ‘white Japanese’ and ‘black Japanese’.

It’s not hateful to say white or black people cannot be ethnic Japanese (although they can become nationals, I’ve known a few!). It’s just observing reality.

you’re not paying attention, I’m not saying Japanese people sprung from the ground for God’s sake. But the difference is enormous. Yes, of course, like any population, Japan’s people formed over centuries through migrations and mixing — Jomon, Yayoi, Chinese, Korean, etc. That’s true everywhere. The point is that, once the Japanese nation coalesced, it has been comparatively closed for over a thousand years, with very little large-scale inflow afterwards. Britain, on the other hand, has been repeatedly invaded, occupied, and resettled — Romans, Saxons, Vikings, Normans, then later waves tied to empire and migration.

So yes, both are products of mixing, but the scale, frequency, and continuity of those influences is dramatically different. That’s why Japan is still broadly considered monoethnic, whereas Britain is not.

nomas · 26/08/2025 08:31

HappiestSleeping · 26/08/2025 02:46

I don't, but the PP who responded to me earlier appears to. My point was exactly as yours is. They're hardly being kept in the lap of luxury.

Ah sorry!

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 08:32

Lilactimes · 26/08/2025 08:21

@Nestingbirds - you are mildly hysterical.
You are totally falling for subtle manipulation on social media algorithms which are causing you to believe the problems we face are due to immigration and not due to poor leadership over 15 years - austerity, Covid, Brexit, war in Europe, global corporations not paying tax properly in the countries in which they operate; wealth gap growing massively with a bloated 1% retaining more wealth and stopping it circulating - all contributing to our current economic suffering.
Many of the people who have migrated here on a visa will be contributing via tax or will be students who will be paying large fees to our universities.
The boat people are a small % and I agree need to be processed more quickly.
Who are the other people you are talking about that come in

No one is saying the pandemic, wars etc haven't had an impact - but you can not absorb ten million people (which is a fact) with no planning or investment and continue to do so without some severe consequences.

You have gravely misunderstood the situation from your ivory tower, as I assume you have no idea what is happening on the ground, or you wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the experiences of others.

I can assure you that when this blows up because naysayers like you that can not see the impact it is having - you can’t be surprised. The famous quote springs to mind:

’If you can keep your head, when all around you have lost theirs, then you probably have not understood the seriousness of the situation’

Have a good day

HappiestSleeping · 26/08/2025 08:35

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 07:39

Firstly presuming anything is always a mistake and you have made too many assumptions in your post in my view.

You can in seconds fact check my assertion that ten million people have indeed arrived since 2000. Your suggestion that it is factually incorrect is wrong, it’s absolutely the case. The equivalent of the city of Leeds continues to arrive here every single year.

As a result the quality of life has deteriorated for everyone, the infrastructure is near collapse, the cost of housing has rocketed and is sparse, as have the costs to run public services. Even the sewage can not be adequately managed because our systems were not designed to deal with this many people.

I agree we must deport any illegal arrivals immediately. Setting up special routes via France or anywhere else would only act as a magnet. Labour are suggesting this as an option.

We already offer ways to obtain a legal visa, but most of the illegal people pitching up here would fail that process - so they lie and manipulate and exploit the system or disappear once here. people arrive here in all kinds of ways, not just ‘small boats’.

We need proper controls. Secure and safe borders, and an efficient way to deport immediately. A country such as ours should be capable of dealing with this, other countries seem to manage it perfectly well. This current government are allowing this crisis to get worse.

I will ask again where on earth is Starmer?

He has a duty to contain the mess he is responsible for. They have been in post for over a year now, and they have achieved nothing at all of note, apart from ruining the economy piece by piece and stripping pensioners of their winter fuel allowance that they reversed - what exactly have they done?? The people of Britain, of all ethnicities have had enough.

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you have made too many assumptions in your post

I dont think I've made any assumptions, just responded to what you have said.

You can in seconds fact check my assertion that ten million people have indeed arrived since 2000. Your suggestion that it is factually incorrect is wrong

I don't recall saying it was wrong, I asked where it came from. Actually, we are in violent agreement about the number as my stats match yours. An average of 325k per year over the last 30 years, with a spike after Brexshit add up to just under 10 million. I think our disagreement is over the impact, as we have had that kind of net migration for many years, and it hasn't been seen as the issue it currently is. The spike after Brexshit is causing concern, but economic migration is a well proven benefit. I dont recall this level of hysteria 20 years ago when the numbers were more or less the same.

We already offer ways to obtain a legal visa, but most of the illegal people pitching up here would fail that process - so they lie and manipulate and exploit the system or disappear once here. people arrive here in all kinds of ways, not just ‘small boats’.

The irregular migrants pitching up in small boats are mostly asylum seekers, and have no way of applying without getting here first, hence my earlier suggestion.

The illegals who vanish don't appear in any of our stats because they are illegal and they vanished.

The way to solve this is to clamp down on the people who pay them in cash, and who house them. This is already happening.

There have always been various type of attempts to enter Britain. It used to be in trucks, now it is small boats. Small boats have risen in 'popularity' since Brexshit because the French are no longer obligated to help in the way they did previously.

This current government are allowing this crisis to get worse

Other countries do manage it better. The last government made the situation much worse, especially with Brexshit. This government has increased processing and the level of returns is higher than the preceeding government, so to say they are doing nothing is disingenuous. Are they doing the right things? Probably not enough. I think there is too much focus on small boats to pander to the right wing part of the electorate. What they should be doing is coming up with a coherent, long term strategy that hits the root cause like stopping the employers of the illegal immigrants.

Starmer isn't my cup of tea either, but it is too early to tell. He was left with such a cluster by the previous administration, it will be a few years before the dust settles.

they have achieved nothing at all of note,

NHS waiting lists are shorter
Public services are receiving more funding and beginning to show improvements
More returned immigrants
Processing of immigrants happening faster
Net debt held constant (could do with it dropping of course)

They are pretty chunky achievements, and I would say notable. Is there more to do? Yes. Has he made some blunders? Yes. Take winter fuel allowance, since you raise it. Great idea, but the bar was in the wrong place. I know many pensioners who don't need it, so it was the right decision, but the cut off should have been in a different place. That kind of miscalculation does not help him.

As I said, it will take longer than a year to resolve the previous 14 years of shit.

Lilactimes · 26/08/2025 08:47

HappiestSleeping · 26/08/2025 08:35

you have made too many assumptions in your post

I dont think I've made any assumptions, just responded to what you have said.

You can in seconds fact check my assertion that ten million people have indeed arrived since 2000. Your suggestion that it is factually incorrect is wrong

I don't recall saying it was wrong, I asked where it came from. Actually, we are in violent agreement about the number as my stats match yours. An average of 325k per year over the last 30 years, with a spike after Brexshit add up to just under 10 million. I think our disagreement is over the impact, as we have had that kind of net migration for many years, and it hasn't been seen as the issue it currently is. The spike after Brexshit is causing concern, but economic migration is a well proven benefit. I dont recall this level of hysteria 20 years ago when the numbers were more or less the same.

We already offer ways to obtain a legal visa, but most of the illegal people pitching up here would fail that process - so they lie and manipulate and exploit the system or disappear once here. people arrive here in all kinds of ways, not just ‘small boats’.

The irregular migrants pitching up in small boats are mostly asylum seekers, and have no way of applying without getting here first, hence my earlier suggestion.

The illegals who vanish don't appear in any of our stats because they are illegal and they vanished.

The way to solve this is to clamp down on the people who pay them in cash, and who house them. This is already happening.

There have always been various type of attempts to enter Britain. It used to be in trucks, now it is small boats. Small boats have risen in 'popularity' since Brexshit because the French are no longer obligated to help in the way they did previously.

This current government are allowing this crisis to get worse

Other countries do manage it better. The last government made the situation much worse, especially with Brexshit. This government has increased processing and the level of returns is higher than the preceeding government, so to say they are doing nothing is disingenuous. Are they doing the right things? Probably not enough. I think there is too much focus on small boats to pander to the right wing part of the electorate. What they should be doing is coming up with a coherent, long term strategy that hits the root cause like stopping the employers of the illegal immigrants.

Starmer isn't my cup of tea either, but it is too early to tell. He was left with such a cluster by the previous administration, it will be a few years before the dust settles.

they have achieved nothing at all of note,

NHS waiting lists are shorter
Public services are receiving more funding and beginning to show improvements
More returned immigrants
Processing of immigrants happening faster
Net debt held constant (could do with it dropping of course)

They are pretty chunky achievements, and I would say notable. Is there more to do? Yes. Has he made some blunders? Yes. Take winter fuel allowance, since you raise it. Great idea, but the bar was in the wrong place. I know many pensioners who don't need it, so it was the right decision, but the cut off should have been in a different place. That kind of miscalculation does not help him.

As I said, it will take longer than a year to resolve the previous 14 years of shit.

Well said @HappiestSleeping
Totally agree.

Lilactimes · 26/08/2025 09:02

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 08:32

No one is saying the pandemic, wars etc haven't had an impact - but you can not absorb ten million people (which is a fact) with no planning or investment and continue to do so without some severe consequences.

You have gravely misunderstood the situation from your ivory tower, as I assume you have no idea what is happening on the ground, or you wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the experiences of others.

I can assure you that when this blows up because naysayers like you that can not see the impact it is having - you can’t be surprised. The famous quote springs to mind:

’If you can keep your head, when all around you have lost theirs, then you probably have not understood the seriousness of the situation’

Have a good day

I can see that trouble is being caused and people are angry @Nestingbirds
Im not denying that and I don’t live in an Ivory tower but have lived and worked in Haringey (London) for the past 20 years in a hugely diverse area.
Times are tough.
But people are turning on other poor people and blaming them - rather than those with the wealth and power to do something about it.
There are obscene amounts of wealth in the hands of 1% of the world’s population now.
No one needs billionaires - and yet rather than demand something is done about that - we are currently blaming people even poorer than ourselves for the mess we are in.

The nuance of my argument is it suits the global elite for poor people to blame others worse off than themselves.

(It wouldn’t surprise me if Musk is funding Reform for example - in the assumption Farage and Musk have gotten over their spat)

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 09:04

HappiestSleeping · 26/08/2025 08:35

you have made too many assumptions in your post

I dont think I've made any assumptions, just responded to what you have said.

You can in seconds fact check my assertion that ten million people have indeed arrived since 2000. Your suggestion that it is factually incorrect is wrong

I don't recall saying it was wrong, I asked where it came from. Actually, we are in violent agreement about the number as my stats match yours. An average of 325k per year over the last 30 years, with a spike after Brexshit add up to just under 10 million. I think our disagreement is over the impact, as we have had that kind of net migration for many years, and it hasn't been seen as the issue it currently is. The spike after Brexshit is causing concern, but economic migration is a well proven benefit. I dont recall this level of hysteria 20 years ago when the numbers were more or less the same.

We already offer ways to obtain a legal visa, but most of the illegal people pitching up here would fail that process - so they lie and manipulate and exploit the system or disappear once here. people arrive here in all kinds of ways, not just ‘small boats’.

The irregular migrants pitching up in small boats are mostly asylum seekers, and have no way of applying without getting here first, hence my earlier suggestion.

The illegals who vanish don't appear in any of our stats because they are illegal and they vanished.

The way to solve this is to clamp down on the people who pay them in cash, and who house them. This is already happening.

There have always been various type of attempts to enter Britain. It used to be in trucks, now it is small boats. Small boats have risen in 'popularity' since Brexshit because the French are no longer obligated to help in the way they did previously.

This current government are allowing this crisis to get worse

Other countries do manage it better. The last government made the situation much worse, especially with Brexshit. This government has increased processing and the level of returns is higher than the preceeding government, so to say they are doing nothing is disingenuous. Are they doing the right things? Probably not enough. I think there is too much focus on small boats to pander to the right wing part of the electorate. What they should be doing is coming up with a coherent, long term strategy that hits the root cause like stopping the employers of the illegal immigrants.

Starmer isn't my cup of tea either, but it is too early to tell. He was left with such a cluster by the previous administration, it will be a few years before the dust settles.

they have achieved nothing at all of note,

NHS waiting lists are shorter
Public services are receiving more funding and beginning to show improvements
More returned immigrants
Processing of immigrants happening faster
Net debt held constant (could do with it dropping of course)

They are pretty chunky achievements, and I would say notable. Is there more to do? Yes. Has he made some blunders? Yes. Take winter fuel allowance, since you raise it. Great idea, but the bar was in the wrong place. I know many pensioners who don't need it, so it was the right decision, but the cut off should have been in a different place. That kind of miscalculation does not help him.

As I said, it will take longer than a year to resolve the previous 14 years of shit.

Oh hello Starmer!

Sorry to disturb your time on the sun longer - about time you made a speech of some kind about your plan of action before the country descends into riots again…. Chop chop.

PeonyPatch · 26/08/2025 09:04

LavenderBlue19 · 25/08/2025 23:25

Asylum seekers have been placed in cheap hotels for years and years. I worked in one in 2001-2003 and we had some asylum seekers staying for a while. It was good for the hotel as they filled rooms for a few weeks at a time which the government payed.

None of them stayed very long, the system obviously worked quicker back then.

That’s interesting, yeah. Was it a 4* hotel out of interest? How were they as guests when they stayed? btw - I’ve nothing with immigrants themselves as they are people just like you and I. I just think mass immigration needs some controls.

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 09:05

And the magical 1% you blame for this are long gone my friend, so you will have to find another mug to pay your relentless taxes and misery.

Lilactimes · 26/08/2025 09:08

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 09:04

Oh hello Starmer!

Sorry to disturb your time on the sun longer - about time you made a speech of some kind about your plan of action before the country descends into riots again…. Chop chop.

This is really serious and there’s a really clear reply here to your comment. Give it some respect @Nestingbirds .

Starmer has been in Washington and part of the talks to stop war in Ukraine - something that would help the world economy and the Ukrainians could go home - so a big win if this is successful and would help your agenda @Nestingbirds as a few less migrants in this country.

Lilactimes · 26/08/2025 09:12

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 09:05

And the magical 1% you blame for this are long gone my friend, so you will have to find another mug to pay your relentless taxes and misery.

No… they’re not a “magical 1%” - they’re a general percentage of the whole world population who now hold an increasing amount of the wealth circulating globally.
the disparity is growing.

@Nestingbirds

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 09:14

Lilactimes · 26/08/2025 09:08

This is really serious and there’s a really clear reply here to your comment. Give it some respect @Nestingbirds .

Starmer has been in Washington and part of the talks to stop war in Ukraine - something that would help the world economy and the Ukrainians could go home - so a big win if this is successful and would help your agenda @Nestingbirds as a few less migrants in this country.

Jesus Christ you are actually him or part of the team!!!

The whole country are in despair - even those that voted for you! Do the decent thing, call an election and scuttle off the national stage, you are wrecking this country and we are all united about that at least. Fucking hell. The cheek of it.

Lilactimes · 26/08/2025 09:17

Lilactimes · 26/08/2025 09:12

No… they’re not a “magical 1%” - they’re a general percentage of the whole world population who now hold an increasing amount of the wealth circulating globally.
the disparity is growing.

@Nestingbirds

AI Overview

+6

The global 1% controls a vast portion of the world's wealth, with a recent report stating the top 1% owned 43% of all global financial assets, or roughly $214 trillion in wealth as of 2023. This elite group's wealth has grown significantly, especially in recent years, with reports indicating they have accumulated wealth at a faster rate than the other 99% of the population.

@Nestingbirds - they’re not magical and not all in this country but if that wealth was circulating through the economies of the world in the same way it would be if governments were spending it - it would help.

Again I come back to my point that, along with Covid, wars, Brexit, this is a problem of why we feel poorer. And not other poor people.

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 09:17

Lilactimes · 26/08/2025 09:17

AI Overview

+6

The global 1% controls a vast portion of the world's wealth, with a recent report stating the top 1% owned 43% of all global financial assets, or roughly $214 trillion in wealth as of 2023. This elite group's wealth has grown significantly, especially in recent years, with reports indicating they have accumulated wealth at a faster rate than the other 99% of the population.

@Nestingbirds - they’re not magical and not all in this country but if that wealth was circulating through the economies of the world in the same way it would be if governments were spending it - it would help.

Again I come back to my point that, along with Covid, wars, Brexit, this is a problem of why we feel poorer. And not other poor people.

You have gone too far.

Lilactimes · 26/08/2025 09:18

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 09:14

Jesus Christ you are actually him or part of the team!!!

The whole country are in despair - even those that voted for you! Do the decent thing, call an election and scuttle off the national stage, you are wrecking this country and we are all united about that at least. Fucking hell. The cheek of it.

Possibly @Nestingbirds 😉

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 09:19

Ridiculous to think you can tax people in other countries honestly deluded.

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 09:19

Lilactimes · 26/08/2025 09:18

Possibly @Nestingbirds 😉

I have nothing to say to you. We see what you are doing and it’s unacceptable.

Lilactimes · 26/08/2025 09:20

Lilactimes · 26/08/2025 09:18

Possibly @Nestingbirds 😉

I think you may be a man though @Nestingbirds - as your debating skills are on a par with Farage …

Lilactimes · 26/08/2025 09:21

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 09:19

Ridiculous to think you can tax people in other countries honestly deluded.

I am not saying that….
I am saying that the global disparity of wealth is one of the many problems causing issues in the world that we are also feeling.
this disparity is also in our country.
But it’s a global issue.

nomas · 26/08/2025 09:22

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 09:19

I have nothing to say to you. We see what you are doing and it’s unacceptable.

You get that she’s not really Starmer, right?

HappiestSleeping · 26/08/2025 09:42

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 09:04

Oh hello Starmer!

Sorry to disturb your time on the sun longer - about time you made a speech of some kind about your plan of action before the country descends into riots again…. Chop chop.

I am no fan, and didn't vote for him. I do like a balanced argument though. In order to have that, one must look at the every aspect, and not just cherry pick the parts that support their own view.

It's a shame that this country has descended into believing the bullshit spread by social media and some news outlets rather than looking at evidence and fact.

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 09:44

nomas · 26/08/2025 09:22

You get that she’s not really Starmer, right?

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😂😂