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Hate how racist everything has become, and how quickly it’s happened.

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Silverbirchleaf · 24/08/2025 22:13

I was just looking at facebook, and a ‘Sad face’ newsmaker article came up. Practically all the comments mentioned boats, asylum seekers etc etc. Its really getting me down.

Travelled to the south west last weekend. On the way down no flags on bridges. On the way back, in some areas, every bridge.

Its scary how quickly it’s all happening.

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PeonyPatch · 25/08/2025 12:50

RE skin colour — there are plenty of British Nationals who are non-white. I, for one, am mixed-race. Though the colour of my skin is olive. I’m very often mistaken for either white (but with a tan) or European, even Middle Eastern. But I was born and raised in the UK. Many other people in the same boat (pun intended) as me. I think it should come down to your nationality and not your skin colour.

EvilEdna44 · 25/08/2025 12:50

RingoJuice · 25/08/2025 12:44

Because it will be a different country without a majority of white British people. Your daughter holds two cultures, like my children. But they will have to choose. I’m preparing mine to do so.

Maybe there will be fewer flag-waving ill-informed racists around, and that appeals to me greatly.

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 25/08/2025 12:50

RingoJuice · 25/08/2025 12:44

Because it will be a different country without a majority of white British people. Your daughter holds two cultures, like my children. But they will have to choose. I’m preparing mine to do so.

But that’s not what they said, it was only skin colour mentioned. So an underlying assumption if you’re not white you can’t be culturally British.

I can see people being worrried if they think the country will have a majority from a different culture (but don’t believe it will happen). But culture doesn’t equal skin colour.

JHound · 25/08/2025 12:51

RingoJuice · 25/08/2025 12:45

Its not just skin color—I mentioned Tibet, which is being swamped by people of the same race, but different ethnicity.

Shit, didn’t the Irish fight you like a century ago over the same sort of thing???

You mentioned “white Britons” becoming a minority which suggests an obsession with melanin levels.

I am not over 100 and have never been a member of the military so no, I have never fought the Irish.

And I am confident that the Irish objection to England was not about migration but was about invasion, colonisation, oppression, suppression of the local language, forcible migration, enslavement etc.

RingoJuice · 25/08/2025 12:52

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 25/08/2025 12:48

Again, why is the colour of people's skin important to you? You haven't explained why you think that people like my dd present a threat. Please elaborate.

Do you consider your own dc to be a threat to British culture as well, because they are half American? Or do you consider them to be non-threatening because they happen to be white?

Why do you think my daughter (and your own dc) will have to choose between cultures?

I don’t think my children are fully one or the other. But that just my opinion on the matter.

And I do think if my people were swamping the UK (which we well could do, based on our numbers), it would be a huge problem lol. American culture is different, why would you want to import that?

PeonyPatch · 25/08/2025 12:52

Many of my friends who I grew up and went to school with in this country are from a range of backgrounds, and heritages but I see them, us, as British!

nomas · 25/08/2025 12:52

Browniesforbreakfast · 25/08/2025 12:50

What is racist is the generalisations made about entire groups of people like Muslims.

It is racist to suggest an entire group of people who subscribe to a single religion have beliefs in common?

It is when those beliefs projected onto the entire group are negative and incite hatred.

JHound · 25/08/2025 12:54

RingoJuice · 25/08/2025 12:44

Because it will be a different country without a majority of white British people. Your daughter holds two cultures, like my children. But they will have to choose. I’m preparing mine to do so.

Why will it be different?

Why do you assume being birracial means holding two+ different cultures?

Why do you assume this means “choosing” one over the other?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 25/08/2025 12:54

PeonyPatch · 25/08/2025 12:50

RE skin colour — there are plenty of British Nationals who are non-white. I, for one, am mixed-race. Though the colour of my skin is olive. I’m very often mistaken for either white (but with a tan) or European, even Middle Eastern. But I was born and raised in the UK. Many other people in the same boat (pun intended) as me. I think it should come down to your nationality and not your skin colour.

But not everyone agrees. Some are worried about Britain being "taken over" by people like you. They are expressing concerns about white people being in a minority.

I'm 100% sure that you don't present a threat to British culture because of your olive skin, but some people clearly think that you do. They are worried about being outnumbered by people like you. I call that racism.

RingoJuice · 25/08/2025 12:55

JHound · 25/08/2025 12:51

You mentioned “white Britons” becoming a minority which suggests an obsession with melanin levels.

I am not over 100 and have never been a member of the military so no, I have never fought the Irish.

And I am confident that the Irish objection to England was not about migration but was about invasion, colonisation, oppression, suppression of the local language, forcible migration, enslavement etc.

The settlers were a huge issue. Some of the terminology (plantations) are coming into use about migrant hotels.

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 25/08/2025 12:56

A non white person born or raised in this country would often be culturally British. I’m not saying always, but there’s lots of integration. Look at Obama in the USA, culturally American (and legally). His skin colour didn’t matter.

Even some people who move here when older may well adopt the norms of the country to a large extent We shouldn’t be worried if they keep their religions, speak their language. That doesn’t matter. The media whip people into a frenzy that sharia law will be enforced and I don’t believe it.

JHound · 25/08/2025 12:58

Browniesforbreakfast · 25/08/2025 12:50

What is racist is the generalisations made about entire groups of people like Muslims.

It is racist to suggest an entire group of people who subscribe to a single religion have beliefs in common?

Yes it is. Especially when people have a laundry list of very specific negative tropes, many of which have nothing to do with Islam and insist ALL muslims hold these beliefs (Like insisting ALL muslims support FGM and child marriage.)

RingoJuice · 25/08/2025 12:58

JHound · 25/08/2025 12:54

Why will it be different?

Why do you assume being birracial means holding two+ different cultures?

Why do you assume this means “choosing” one over the other?

Why wouldn’t that be the case? Different communities have different ways of life. Isn’t this the whole point of diversity?

FatherFrosty · 25/08/2025 12:58

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 25/08/2025 12:47

Well they’re building a nuclear power plant 10 miles from me so going ok I guess.

not sure why you say “your crazy energy policy “. I’m not the govt.

oh and aren’t Reform against fracking? The local reform council seems to be.

and it was the Tories who mothballed all the coal power stations which is the stupidest thing ever. We need to be energy sufficient as a country. Dh works in this field and it’s been teetering on the edge for a decade. Dh reckons that the public would be horrified if they knew how bad it was. Years of under investment, no overall plan, no strategy.

No reform are pro fracking
pro guns
anti abortion

pro anything that pays them

Browniesforbreakfast · 25/08/2025 12:59

nomas · 25/08/2025 12:52

It is when those beliefs projected onto the entire group are negative and incite hatred.

You don’t think all Muslims believe in Islam? Isn’t that the definition of a Muslim?

PeonyPatch · 25/08/2025 12:59

I think, what I pick up from this thread, is that many people are angered, enraged even, by the lack of community in Great Britain today. Large groups within the population that haven’t integrated, or are responsible for crime, certain crimes, or aren’t net contributors as an example. And even those who haven’t adopted British norms, and have seemingly forced upon their own norms and attitudes onto British people. This, in addition to the economic challenges we face today in 2025 has generated a sense of unfairness, injustice and this is expressed as anger.

I think for some who lack the emotional awareness or words to explain this can then become racist, or form racist and xenophobic attitudes and views… This is what I believe to be what’s generally happening as a trend in this country.

It’s dangerous and it has led to the popularity of parties such as Reform. Despite this, and whilst I don’t have these racist views, I do relate to some of the anger they may feel, and I can go some way to understand where they might be coming from. However, there is no excuse for hatred based on racism. There does need to be more immigration control to address some of the economic issues this can lead to, which contributes to inequality within our society.

JHound · 25/08/2025 13:00

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 25/08/2025 12:56

A non white person born or raised in this country would often be culturally British. I’m not saying always, but there’s lots of integration. Look at Obama in the USA, culturally American (and legally). His skin colour didn’t matter.

Even some people who move here when older may well adopt the norms of the country to a large extent We shouldn’t be worried if they keep their religions, speak their language. That doesn’t matter. The media whip people into a frenzy that sharia law will be enforced and I don’t believe it.

Obama is a great example as I doubt anybody reasonable would consider him equally
culturally Kenyan and American. He maybe birracial but he is 100% Yank.

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 25/08/2025 13:00

FatherFrosty · 25/08/2025 12:58

No reform are pro fracking
pro guns
anti abortion

pro anything that pays them

I stand corrected on Reform’s opinion on fracking. Thank you.

JHound · 25/08/2025 13:02

PeonyPatch · 25/08/2025 12:59

I think, what I pick up from this thread, is that many people are angered, enraged even, by the lack of community in Great Britain today. Large groups within the population that haven’t integrated, or are responsible for crime, certain crimes, or aren’t net contributors as an example. And even those who haven’t adopted British norms, and have seemingly forced upon their own norms and attitudes onto British people. This, in addition to the economic challenges we face today in 2025 has generated a sense of unfairness, injustice and this is expressed as anger.

I think for some who lack the emotional awareness or words to explain this can then become racist, or form racist and xenophobic attitudes and views… This is what I believe to be what’s generally happening as a trend in this country.

It’s dangerous and it has led to the popularity of parties such as Reform. Despite this, and whilst I don’t have these racist views, I do relate to some of the anger they may feel, and I can go some way to understand where they might be coming from. However, there is no excuse for hatred based on racism. There does need to be more immigration control to address some of the economic issues this can lead to, which contributes to inequality within our society.

Large groups within the population that haven’t integrated, or are responsible for crime, certain crimes, or aren’t net contributors as an example.

I don’t know what your definition of “not integrating” is but the latter people keep making these “immigration issues” when they are just issues.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 25/08/2025 13:02

RingoJuice · 25/08/2025 12:52

I don’t think my children are fully one or the other. But that just my opinion on the matter.

And I do think if my people were swamping the UK (which we well could do, based on our numbers), it would be a huge problem lol. American culture is different, why would you want to import that?

You haven't answered my question. I'll try once more.

Why exactly do you think people like my culturally British mixed race dd present a threat to the UK, and what do you consider to be the specific nature of that threat? Why would it matter if there were more people in the UK with my dd's skin colour than white people? Why exactly are you suggesting that people should be worried about this?

If you don't want to answer, I will conclude that your comments are based on simple racism. If that isn't the case, please do explain.

RingoJuice · 25/08/2025 13:02

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 25/08/2025 12:56

A non white person born or raised in this country would often be culturally British. I’m not saying always, but there’s lots of integration. Look at Obama in the USA, culturally American (and legally). His skin colour didn’t matter.

Even some people who move here when older may well adopt the norms of the country to a large extent We shouldn’t be worried if they keep their religions, speak their language. That doesn’t matter. The media whip people into a frenzy that sharia law will be enforced and I don’t believe it.

Interesting you bring Obama up. He intentionally embraced his black side, explicitly rejecting marriage with his Asian partner. I think he felt that he could not be a leader in the black community with an Asian wife (according to her, anyway).

JHound · 25/08/2025 13:03

RingoJuice · 25/08/2025 12:52

I don’t think my children are fully one or the other. But that just my opinion on the matter.

And I do think if my people were swamping the UK (which we well could do, based on our numbers), it would be a huge problem lol. American culture is different, why would you want to import that?

Oh I thought you were British but you are a YANK being hysterical about British
racial demography..?

It all becomes clear.

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 25/08/2025 13:04

Browniesforbreakfast · 25/08/2025 12:59

You don’t think all Muslims believe in Islam? Isn’t that the definition of a Muslim?

Is it not the same God with a different name.? To be honest I don’t care which fairytale book people read. As long as it doesn’t impact on me and I see no sign of it doing so.

well apart from Sunday trading laws but we can’t blame the Muslims for that.

PaxAeterna · 25/08/2025 13:05

Browniesforbreakfast · 25/08/2025 12:15

So you are saying the women and children are not in immediate danger in their own countries? What about all the Afghan men? How will the women left behind live as they cannot work or even leave their homes alone to buy food?

Most of the time asylum seekers don’t come directly here from their home countries. Many men coming here are leaving their families in refugee camps in neighbouring countries. Their situation may be bad but the journey to Western Europe is extremely dangerous so I guess everyone needs to weigh up those risks for their own families. Other men will be just young and fit and keen to get on with their lives. They don’t want to languish in a refugee camp in some desperate situation hoping to be able to go home one day.

That’s why NGOs point out that part of the answer is to increase funding to refugee camps in Iran, Turkey, Uganda where huge numbers of asylum seeker’s live often in very poor and hopeless conditions.

PeonyPatch · 25/08/2025 13:05

JHound · 25/08/2025 13:02

Large groups within the population that haven’t integrated, or are responsible for crime, certain crimes, or aren’t net contributors as an example.

I don’t know what your definition of “not integrating” is but the latter people keep making these “immigration issues” when they are just issues.

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Well, I live next door to trainee doctors who have admitted to us that they moved here to get the training and once they’ve finished, they’re going to move out of the UK as an example.

I think this is very wrong and harmful.