Hate how racist everything has become, and how quickly it’s happened.

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I was just looking at facebook, and a ‘Sad face’ newsmaker article came up. Practically all the comments mentioned boats, asylum seekers etc etc. Its really getting me down.

Travelled to the south west last weekend. On the way down no flags on bridges. On the way back, in some areas, every bridge.

Its scary how quickly it’s all happening.

Apologies @RingoJuice - 70,000 odd years ago!!

Of course - you’re the only one that matters, not anyone in the past, future or from other cultures.

I am incredulous that you can not see the root cause of this issue, a child being gang raped by groups of men that shouldn’t even be here is the issue, not you. How are you safe in this environment? Why aren’t you demanding change? This has got nothing to do with the colour of people’s skin and everything to do with the security and safety of our country and EVERYONE that lives here.

I can’t find your original post @Icebreakhell - but it was about looking around and seeing people looking different and not “British” and our right to protect our own Britishness.

btw - you seem like a nice calm rational personal @Icebreakhell -

Not naive in the slightest and when I mean ' travelled' I mean travelled , lived and worked among people of many different cultures. The worst I have met have been the white entitled British tourists. NOT ME being naive, think you had better do some soul searching yourself

Troll hunting isn't allowed on MN. Hth.

I think you misunderstand.

Let me ask you something. I used to live in China. I disagree with Chinese government policy on this aspect: they intentionally flood Tibet with Han Chinese.

Lhasa is now 50% Han Chinese. Tibetans are only a majority in the rural areas.

Is it okay for China to continue to do this, against the wishes of the Tibetan people? Do you think it’s acceptable that they become a minority in their own territory?

Or do Han Chinese have every right to go there, locals be damned?

Hope Not Hate's founder Nick Lowles spread misinformation about a Muslim woman being acid attacked by far right protestors during the Southport riots. He deliberately incited retaliatory violence, but of course no prison term for him.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/05/nick-lowles-hope-not-hate-apologise-tweet-acid-attack/

Meanwhile HNH regularly smears anyone who challenges the establishment narrative that diversity is our strength.

Yeah...we meed to be here, to stop the Hate no Hopers ! What a terrible attituse to life !

It is about as balanced as The Guardian is, and about as accurate too.

The rape of a child is horrific, regardless of who the perpetrators might be, but the vast majority of migrants to this country are not child rapists, and they are no more responsible for those who do commit such atrocities than the average white British man. And it is fundamentally racist to hold them collectively responsible, simply because they share the characteristic of being "foreign".

Please stop using child rape and violence against women as a vehicle for expressing your racism. It doesn't legitimise your prejudices, it merely highlights them.

Tibetans have become a minority in their own capital, and are being swamped by Han migrants.

Do you think it’s acceptable that they are becoming a minority in their own homeland?

I think that’s a really interesting point which I hadn’t thought of @Piknik

My real anger with Brexit was the fact that those who campaigned for it - didn’t step in with a plan for it the minute they won. There was no vision for how we would exist outside the EU as a new independent country. Cameron resigned and we were in a vacuum.
I would have accepted it (miserably) if someone had inspired me and said this is what we are now going to represent.

I guess this led to a feeling that those who had voted leave had no vision other than wanting to close borders.

It’s not racist to be concerned about the shocking number of board and asylum seekers coming into the country. We are a small island, there’s no room, and when in some deprived areas nearly half of children are living in poverty we should have other priorities

So asking questions is 'misinformation, racism, antisemitism and hate'? Why don't you just answer them?

I’ve copied and pasted my post below, clearly (again) says nothing in relation to what you’re alleging. You can apologise now.

Increasing the population by a million a year during endless austerity and economic decline was always going to have negative consequences. Especially when people are allowed to overstay visas etc. The boat people are obviously a tiny proportion of this. There are a significant proportion of people arriving here from very different cultures and this has changed the landscape in ways that would not be accepted in other countries. The successive governments ignore this at their peril, no lessons have been learned from Brexit. It paves the way for Reform to win votes from people who would be considered moderate.

What are the numbers of board in your post, what does that mean?

I used to work with with Tibetan refugees. The situation in Tibet is not remotely comparable to the situation in modern Britain, and it's pretty crass to try to draw any equivalence.

HTH

It's not about vilifying people, it's about having common sense. Yes, we need to take in asylum seekers fleeing persecution and war but having people come across on boats, sometimes paying thousands to do it, lining the pockets of criminal gangs, (often involved with other crimes as well) and with no information about who they are, is not the way. And for people to say that anyone who doesn't agree with allowing it is racist, is quite frankly, absurd.
I don't think the people coming on boats are the cause of our systems failures by any means but the more people we continue to add, the more it is going to fail (amongst many other reasons). This is not just in this country, many European countries are becoming much tougher on immigration and asylum seekers.

You also say you think we should 'deal with the problem', if you think all the people coming over here on boats are hard working people who will contribute to society and that they don't add any stress to our services, why do you think we need to deal with it? And if your only issue is the criminal gangs making money from them, what do you propose? That we collect them ourselves from Calais via boats or have them flown here?

I fundamentally disagree with you - many of these men do in fact come from countries with dreadful track record of mistreatment and abuse of women and girls.

I am going to ignore your silly insult and name calling. I know that I care about everyone in my country regardless of their ethnicity, I will not stand by and stay silent as children are raped and women are intimidated in their own towns and cities by packs of illegal men. Shame on you.

You can try to claim the moral high ground if it makes you feel better, but I'm afraid your attempts fall rather flat. We can see what you're doing.

And I was in Tibet itself and they are beyond pissed at the situation. As you well know if you truly worked with them.

Or are they happy that their homeland is being swamped by the Han?

I thought you were American?

Well said @Greenwitchart

Of course they are not happy. But if you truly understand what has happened in Tibet, you will be aware of how crass it is to compare their situation with ours. It would be laughable if it wasn't so dismissive of their struggles.